View Poll Results: Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?

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  • It's wrong and unnatural

    22 7.94%
  • It's not wrong, just unnatural

    16 5.78%
  • It's neither wrong nor unnatural

    107 38.63%
  • Don't know/care

    16 5.78%
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    12 4.33%
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Thread: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The title of the thread is also about sin...not just it being "unnatural".
    Oh I thought the title was...

    Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?

    Guess you know as much about the title of the thread as you do about Bible history?

    The OP mentioned sin, not the title.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    As such discussion about the Bible, Koran, or any other religion is quite valid.
    Did not say it was not. Huge difference between discussing sin and just making attacks on Christin doctrine, like in your case with no proof.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Being as a Mod hasn't spoken up about getting back on track then I can only assume that they agree...at least I can until a mod speaks up.
    OK no problem. I will then continue to make your no evidence conspiracy theory argument look stupid. No problem.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No evidence, no reasonable reason other than somehow it could have happened?

    Like I said tinfoil hat stuff. I have shown documented proof and you have shown, nothing.
    You've shown no proof that they didn't hide anything. Granted the ability to find or have such proof has long since vanished into history. For that reason I am basing my arguement entirely on logic, and understanding human behavior.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    What does Wikileaks and the US government have to do with the "well known" Christian books being assembled into one volume? They were not the government. In fact putting them all together in one place was the worst thing they could do for control.
    Wikileaks and the US government were examples of those in power hiding things from the general public. You were claiming that what I have been saying is nothing but conspiracies when I asked you if you thought...and I'll quote here...

    Do you know everything that our government does? Do you believe that they do things that we never find out about (IE no proof of)? Do you think that they falsify documents? If you answered yes then why is the same not applied to those that wrote the bible?
    Your answer was of offering to sell me a tin foil hat. Now note the bolded part and you will see how I am using it to refer to the Bible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Answer my other posts you ignored or at least read them. I know you will not or can't because you have no argument, none.
    AFAIK I have answered every post that you have directed at me. But just to be clear if you are still refering to this one again....

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1059558866 <---Never even responded to this one.
    I did respond to it. Page 145 Post #1448. And yes...I also responded to the one that I got that quote from. Page 146 Post #1460. Now if there were any others please feel free to remind me of them. Because like I said...AFAIK I have responded to each of the posts that you have directed at me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yes it was. At the time many of the books circulated and were well known. From the Torah to the Gospels etc. None were hidden and 99.9% still exist today. You can read them online as well.
    First...as far as you know none were hidden. Second the only ones of the time that could even read were those of the church. It was extremely rare for a peasent to be able to read. At those times the only ones that could were Kings (and even that was doubtful at times if I remember correctly) and members of the church. Who were required to learn reading so that they could preach to the masses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    What outside scholar did they hide anything from? Oh the one you just made up?
    So do you really think that they let outsiders know thier every secret? That those in power hid absolutely NOTHING from what would be considered pagans?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Oh I thought the title was...

    Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?

    Guess you know as much about the title of the thread as you do about Bible history?

    The OP mentioned sin, not the title.
    Attempted baiting recognized and ignored. But perhaps you should re-read the thread title. It is "Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?" (That was directly copy/pasted)

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Did not say it was not. Huge difference between discussing sin and just making attacks on Christin doctrine, like in your case with no proof.
    I'm not making attacks on Christian Doctrine. I'm making attacks on those that wrote the bible. Which is what you base your doctrine upon. By showing that the Bible was written by man for greed and power I show that what is in the bible and what the bible says is sinful is full of bunk. By doing that I show that homosexuality is not sinful (at least as far as Christianity is concerned). We all base our arguements on different things. I chose this route. Others can choose differing ones if they want. There is certainly plenty of ways to argue this subject.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    OK no problem. I will then continue to make your no evidence conspiracy theory argument look stupid. No problem.
    Again, baiting acknowledged and will be ignored.

    Despite what you may think I am being quite serious in my postings here. I am not trying to make fun of you or disparage you in anyway. So please, leave the bait tactics on the side.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

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    With that said, the tone of this conversation needs to come down or thread bans will be issued, along with points.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
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    With that said, the tone of this conversation needs to come down or thread bans will be issued, along with points.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Just to clear something up, I am not Christian, because I cannot honestly say that I believe that Jesus was actually God on Earth, nor can I honestly believe that believing in him is the only way to God. I have not claimed to be Christian since I was in my teens (the only reason my enlistment paperwork said I was Catholic was because my mom and grandma went with me to the recruiters the first time, and told the recruiter that "we" were Catholic, it was unknown to me at the time that that particular fact would even go into my paperwork). That does not make sense to me because it leaves out a lot of people who would still be living by his words/teachings, even if they have never known about him or are like me and just can't say that they know for sure or learned something different about Jesus in their own religions. In my reasoning and belief about what kind of God might have created us, God would not do something like this.

    But I can easily see men claiming that believing this about Jesus, and by the way they set things up and the pure fact that many people couldn't read nor write a couple of thousand years ago, this would mean that most people would have to go through the church and/or clergy to get to Heaven. This gives people in the church power. And this particular belief would even fit with the one transcript that the church admits to have destroyed, apparently.

    I do not believe homosexuality is a sin because it does not break the rule of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" in any way shape or form, and that is what Jesus preached. The "do unto others" rule is a general rule that works well in almost every religion for finding the way to a happy afterlife. It is what makes the most sense from all the various religions, especially major religions. This seems a fairly reasonable rule for finding happiness and what any supreme being/life would want people to do. This is what the majority of society seems to want too.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    OMG...

    Don't waste your time. This thread has become a circle jerk event.

    I'm in my den moving my toes up and down. You have no way of knowing that I'm doing what I claim. Whether I'm actually doing what I claim - you just have to take my word for it.

    My point is: There are a lot of claims with no supporting sources for arguments, Ya dig?
    Well if you dont want to discuss it thas fine with me. Although I do maintain that there is evidence that homosexuality is not a choice.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    *Revisited*

    2nd salvo?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    **** this ****

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

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