View Poll Results: Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?

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  • It's wrong and unnatural

    22 7.94%
  • It's not wrong, just unnatural

    16 5.78%
  • It's neither wrong nor unnatural

    107 38.63%
  • Don't know/care

    16 5.78%
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    12 4.33%
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    The idea of "obey me or burn" is not what it is about. It is about love God above all things and treat others as you wish to be treated, that IS the summation of the law, period.

    The assumption is not ridicules, but it is not the point of Christs teaching. It is a guid for spiritual salvation, you have free will you can accept it or not.

    My point is when you start throwing things out to fit your life style and choices, where does it end? In the end anything can be justified this way.
    Bold part: And what does it say happens when you do not accept it?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Homosexual activity is perfectly natural to a person who is homosexual. To a homosexual heterosexual activity would be unnatural. The same is true in reverse. One needs only know the persons orientation to know what is natural and what is not for that person. It would be just as wrong to force a heterosexual person into same sex relationship as it is for society to expect a gay person to act and live straight.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    Pardon me,I'm the new guy,and I may be mistaken,but are you saying that there is something wrong with making up new gods as one see's fit.
    I'm a Discordian and we Discordians do it all the time.

    Why should I be limited to believing in some gigantic robe and sandal wearing perpetually pissed off bearded white guy sitting on a throne up in the clouds when I can have a hot babe like ERIS as my personal deity.
    Let's face it,no one on this forum has ever proven that THE SUPREME ONENESS OF THE MULTIVERSE is actually the Judeo-Christian God.So my Goddess is just as valid as your God,wouldn't you agree.

    Now if you had said "according to your beliefs" I wouldn't be writing this,because then you are stating an opinion.
    Everyone has a right to their own opinion (and you know what they say about opinions).
    But the above statement you made seems to me that you are stating it as a fact.
    An opinion does not necessarily equal a fact.

    It seems to me Christians have never had problem a using the Bible to justify things like slavery,ethnic cleansing,religious oppression,land theft,torture,genocide....etc.
    It seem all three monotheistic religions has serious "can't play well with others" issues.
    You never hear about us Discordians using the Principia Discordia or The Book of Eris as an excuse to commit horrible atrocities on our fellow lifeforms,now do you?
    virtually positive you're in the wrong thread.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    This is a common misrepresentation of people's words. It's not that people just make up a God to fit with a lifestyle; it's that the God of X religion does not make sense according to their own reason. In other words, it's that some aspect of the Bible or the Koran or some other religious text make them uneasy and hesistant to accept the words inside of them. This is a pretty common saying that illustrates the problem:
    Being a Christian is #1 believing that Christ is your Saviour. We are taught about him and his teachings through the Bible. If you are going to make something up, you are no longer a Christian are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    If you think the Christian God and the Bible sound right and you're comfortable believing in them, go right ahead. Maybe God's telling you something that he isn't telling others. But to belittle other beliefs who feel something wrong or uncomfortable with your God and your Bible as just "making up their God to fit with a lifestyle to justify things" is obnoxious and shows an inability to understand and respect how others come to their own conclusions.
    Who is belittling anyone? This is what the Bible says and what Nuke again implied and many others, end of story.

    As for my comment it is exactly correct to what Nuke said. If you throw away this part and that to fit your own beliefs regardless of what the scripture says, you can justify anything, period.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Bold part: And what does it say happens when you do not accept it?
    The Bible says you will not be saved. We don't know what hell is. It could be separation from God, or it could be a lake of fire, we don't know for certain.

    No one has been judged yet, nor has anyone come back to say?
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    Pardon me,I'm the new guy,and I may be mistaken,but are you saying that there is something wrong with making up new gods as one see's fit.
    I'm a Discordian and we Discordians do it all the time.

    Why should I be limited to believing in some gigantic robe and sandal wearing perpetually pissed off bearded white guy sitting on a throne up in the clouds when I can have a hot babe like ERIS as my personal deity.
    Let's face it,no one on this forum has ever proven that THE SUPREME ONENESS OF THE MULTIVERSE is actually the Judeo-Christian God.So my Goddess is just as valid as your God,wouldn't you agree.

    Now if you had said "according to your beliefs" I wouldn't be writing this,because then you are stating an opinion.
    Everyone has a right to their own opinion (and you know what they say about opinions).
    But the above statement you made seems to me that you are stating it as a fact.
    An opinion does not necessarily equal a fact.

    It seems to me Christians have never had problem a using the Bible to justify things like slavery,ethnic cleansing,religious oppression,land theft,torture,genocide....etc.
    It seem all three monotheistic religions has serious "can't play well with others" issues.
    You never hear about us Discordians using the Principia Discordia or The Book of Eris as an excuse to commit horrible atrocities on our fellow lifeforms,now do you?
    This is off topic. Please read the OP and feel free to join in.

    PS: Your religion is a joke...

    Discordianism is a religion, or parody religion, that worships Eris (also known as Discordia), the Greco-Roman goddess of chaos. It was founded circa 1958–1959 by Malaclypse the Younger with the publication of its principal text, the Principia Discordia.

    Discordianism is a "Ha Ha, Only Serious" 'joke',[1] using humor to subversively spread what its members regard as a valid philosophy. To keep said beliefs from becoming dangerous fanaticism, they rely on self-subverting Dada-Zen humor, with varying degrees of success. It is regarded as a joke religion, though to what degree is disputed.[2]
    - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    How do you know that they only destroyed one?
    Because of the evidence I posted...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1059558373

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1059558802

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1059558866 <---Never even responded to this one.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1059558953

    Please point out some evidence that says they destroyed or burned other books than what I have mentioned?

    Again:

    Concerning manuscripts that were burned at the order of Constantine, there is really no mention of such a thing actually happening at the order of Constantine or at the Council of Nicea. The Arian party's document claiming Christ to be a created being, was abandoned by them because of the strong resistance to it and was torn to shreds in the sight of everyone present at the council. Constantine, and the Council of Nicea, for that matter, had virtually nothing to do with the forming of the canon. It was not even discussed at Nicea. The council that formed an undisputed decision on the canon took place at Carthage in 397, sixty years after Constantine's death. However, long before Constantine, 21 books were acknowledged by all Christians (the 4 Gospels, Acts, 13 Paul, 1 Peter, 1 John, Revelation). There were 10 disputed books (Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, 2-3 John, Jude, Ps-Barnabas, Hermas, Didache, Gospel of Hebrews) and several that most all considered heretical—Gospels of Peter, Thomas, Matthaias, Acts of Andrew, John, etc.

    Liberal scholars and fictional authors like to purport the idea that the gospels of Thomas and Peter (and other long-disputed books) contain truths that the church vehemently stomped out, but that simply has no basis historically. It is closer to the truth to say that no serious theologians really cared about these books because they were obviously written by people lying about authorship and had little basis in reality. That is one reason why a council declaring the canon was so late in coming (397 AD), because the books that were trusted and the ones that had been handed down were already widely known.
    - Did Constantine decide what books belonged in the Bible?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Is the following possible?

    There are two things we need to discuss about circular reasoning: It is (1) absolutely unavoidable and (2) not necessarily fallacious. Circular reasoning is unavoidable to some degree when proving one's ultimate standard. An ultimate standard cannot be proved from anything else, otherwise it wouldn't be ultimate. Therefore, if it is to be proved, it must use itself as its own standard of judgment by which any decision is made.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    The Bible says you will not be saved. We don't know what hell is. It could be separation from God, or it could be a lake of fire, we don't know for certain.

    No one has been judged yet, nor has anyone come back to say?
    Doesn't the Bible refer to hell as a lake of fire and eternal torment?

    Revelation 21:8
    But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

    Revelation 20:10
    And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

    Matthew 25:41
    “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
    Sure sounds like threats to me. Threats are usually used to control people right? And the only ones that I know that want to control people are those that are greedy and power hungry.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Because of the evidence I posted...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1059558373

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1059558802

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1059558866 <---Never even responded to this one.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1059558953

    Please point out some evidence that says they destroyed or burned other books than what I have mentioned?
    Any evidence you have is at best circumstantial and based off of what those in power want you to know. Do you know everything that our government does? Do you believe that they do things that we never find out about (IE no proof of)? Do you think that they falsify documents? If you answered yes then why is the same not applied to those that wrote the bible?

    Also I did respond to that one. Page 145 post 1448
    Last edited by Kal'Stang; 06-11-11 at 05:53 PM.
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