View Poll Results: Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?

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  • It's wrong and unnatural

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  • It's not wrong, just unnatural

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  • It's neither wrong nor unnatural

    107 38.63%
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    16 5.78%
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    And why is that?
    Pagans used homosexual rape as humiliation and intimidation towards their enemies. During this time period, we had a patriarchal society, so, with the men in charge, humiliating and intimidating them was more effective.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    So, they claimed to destroy one text but you can't believe that they might have destroyed more than just that one? We have no way to verify exactly what happened during any of the counsels that decided what went into the Bible and what didn't, so we have no way to know for sure if they decided to keep something that happened in the counsel (such as censorship of unwanted texts/writings) in the counsel and never mention it again and never record it in any records from those meetings.
    Here we go again with the "what if" they...

    We know because they kept really accurate records. The Roman church was real good about that. We have actual eye witness accounts.

    Again this was not some closed door secret, it was big news at the time.

    I mean if you want to believe in tin foil hattery, be my guest. Don't use it to try and give a conspiracy theory credibility. No proof exists that anything at all was burned, none.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And, again, we also have no way to truly know if there were other texts/writings that the compilers didn't even know about. Nor do we know every word that Jesus spoke about every matter. We have accounts of a lot of the significant things that he did, but even then, they are mostly from someone else's POV, not Jesus's. We don't know what he was thinking when he talked about things.
    OK I guess all the history we have of humankind is accurate accept when it involves Christianity. Now we have to know exactly what God was thinking for someone to right down his teachings?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Pagans used homosexual rape as humiliation and intimidation towards their enemies. During this time period, we had a patriarchal society, so, with the men in charge, humiliating and intimidating them was more effective.
    Thanks CC, had no idea.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    According to most Christian beliefs, if a person does not believe that Jesus died for our sins, then they are not going to Heaven. Along with this, is generally a mandate to ask for forgiveness for your sins and try not to commit the same sins again. Most Christians believe the only way to Heaven is through Jesus, which is according to the Bible.
    This is fairly accurate.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It doesn't matter how good a person is. That is a control thing. One of the things that has led some people, such as myself, away from Christianity, because I choose to believe that a good God would look into a person's heart and not be so petty as to expect people to believe in a book, such as the Bible, just because people thousands of years ago believed that they were telling others what God wanted and how to get to Heaven. I believe that God does not care what religion people follow or what small petty rules a person obeys, as long as they essentially live by the golden rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, and try to love each other. All the rest of the rules, including those about homosexuality and others, seem to me to be something that men would care about, not God. That is why I don't trust the Bible, because it does not fit with what my view of a good God is and it could have easily been manipulated by any of the many people who were responsible for it, from the writers of the text to the compilers and the translators and the changers.
    So in other words you like so many want to make up your own God based on Christian teachings but ignore most of it because it does not fit in with your lifestyle or whatever.

    Heck I could do that to justify anything...

    I believe in the golden rule as long as I can have (consensual of course) sex with 16 and 17 year olds who are related too me. And since the rest is just stuff that men wrote down, I can still go to heaven! Since I don't mind people stealing from me, I can steal all I want from them! Hey I like this Nuke, I really can almost justify anything!
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post

    So in other words you like so many want to make up your own God based on Christian teachings but ignore most of it because it does not fit in with your lifestyle or whatever.

    Heck I could do that to justify anything...

    I believe in the golden rule as long as I can have (consensual of course) sex with 16 and 17 year olds who are related too me. And since the rest is just stuff that men wrote down, I can still go to heaven! Since I don't mind people stealing from me, I can steal all I want from them! Hey I like this Nuke, I really can almost justify anything!
    This is a common misrepresentation of people's words. It's not that people just make up a God to fit with a lifestyle; it's that the God of X religion does not make sense according to their own reason. In other words, it's that some aspect of the Bible or the Koran or some other religious text make them uneasy and hesistant to accept the words inside of them. This is a pretty common saying that illustrates the problem:

    Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. - Buddha
    If you think the Christian God and the Bible sound right and you're comfortable believing in them, go right ahead. Maybe God's telling you something that he isn't telling others. But to belittle other beliefs who feel something wrong or uncomfortable with your God and your Bible as just "making up their God to fit with a lifestyle to justify things" is obnoxious and shows an inability to understand and respect how others come to their own conclusions.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    This is fairly accurate.



    So in other words you like so many want to make up your own God based on Christian teachings but ignore most of it because it does not fit in with your lifestyle or whatever.

    Heck I could do that to justify anything...

    I believe in the golden rule as long as I can have (consensual of course) sex with 16 and 17 year olds who are related too me. And since the rest is just stuff that men wrote down, I can still go to heaven! Since I don't mind people stealing from me, I can steal all I want from them! Hey I like this Nuke, I really can almost justify anything!
    Pardon me,I'm the new guy,and I may be mistaken,but are you saying that there is something wrong with making up new gods as one see's fit.
    I'm a Discordian and we Discordians do it all the time.

    Why should I be limited to believing in some gigantic robe and sandal wearing perpetually pissed off bearded white guy sitting on a throne up in the clouds when I can have a hot babe like ERIS as my personal deity.
    Let's face it,no one on this forum has ever proven that THE SUPREME ONENESS OF THE MULTIVERSE is actually the Judeo-Christian God.So my Goddess is just as valid as your God,wouldn't you agree.

    Now if you had said "according to your beliefs" I wouldn't be writing this,because then you are stating an opinion.
    Everyone has a right to their own opinion (and you know what they say about opinions).
    But the above statement you made seems to me that you are stating it as a fact.
    An opinion does not necessarily equal a fact.

    It seems to me Christians have never had problem a using the Bible to justify things like slavery,ethnic cleansing,religious oppression,land theft,torture,genocide....etc.
    It seem all three monotheistic religions has serious "can't play well with others" issues.
    You never hear about us Discordians using the Principia Discordia or The Book of Eris as an excuse to commit horrible atrocities on our fellow lifeforms,now do you?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Is the following possible?




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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    That you are still wrong. The Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches did not follow the Protestant revisions, and they continue to base their Old Testament on the Septuagint. The result is that these versions of the the Bible have more Old Testament books than most Protestant versions. Catholic Old Testaments include 1st and 2nd Maccabees, Baruch, Tobit, Judith, The Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach (Ecclesiasticus), additions to Esther, and the stories of Susanna and Bel and the Dragon which are included in Daniel. Orthodox Old Testaments include these plus 1st and 2nd Esdras, Prayer of Manasseh, Psalm 151 and 3rd Maccabees.

    The Protestant, Catholic and Orthodox New Testaments are identical.

    You were also talking about much more than just Trent. You were talking about Nicea, but you are trying to avoid that. Need I post the original statement by you?
    My point was that the bible was put together by greedy power hungry men. Not God. The fact that the bible was revised by the Council of Trent proves this since acording to every Christian I have talked to the Bible cannot be changed. I admit that they did not originally put the bible together. But they did change it from what it said originally. Be that as it may Nicea was still a council made up of men that chose what went into the bible. Did they die poor by the wayside? Or did they die relatively rich and with honors?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Is the following possible?



    From my experience with the christians that I have encounter throughout my life ,circular logic seems not only possible,but mandatory.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    They destroyed one text because it was the only one, let me emphasize the only one out of hundreds that said Jesus was just a man. That's it. The rest are available and were not burned etc.

    So your premise is based on flawed information. Which makes the conclusion incorrect as well.
    How do you know that they only destroyed one?
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