View Poll Results: Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?

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  • It's wrong and unnatural

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  • It's not wrong, just unnatural

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  • It's neither wrong nor unnatural

    107 38.63%
  • Don't know/care

    16 5.78%
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Thread: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No you got it wrong, lol.

    Being "gay" is not a sin, in any way. Acting on that or lusting after someone of the same sex is a sin. According to the Bible, sodomy in the OT, and all sexual immorality in the NT is a sin or wrong.
    Your position can be confusing.

    If you give into the temptation, and claim yourself gay, then it is a sin. As well as the acts. It is not acts alone, but the giving into the thoughts and giving into the perversion. Otherwise, how can perversion exist according to Christianity?

    So you think it isn't wrong to be homosexual and support it and believe and "be" it, but it's only wrong if you physically do the acts.

    Do you think only physical actions can be deemed sin in regards to Christianity, but not thoughts/belief? That is different from temptation because you fight such immoral notions.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I know it was written by man, no doubt. The finger of God did not come down and write it for us. The Gospels were not written to scare anyone, it preaches the exact opposite. We have already been over this. We are also getting way WAY of topic.

    So I will leave you with that.
    We are off topic, but the point still remains - the Bible teaches "love and peace". However, the Bible also teaches "obey me or you're going to hell". This latter lesson is mighty useful for power hungry men and in fact has been used to hold power over people for centuries and give MEN great influence over nations and populations. The idea that it was made for this purpose is not to ridiculous.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Your position can be confusing.

    If you give into the temptation, and claim yourself gay, then it is a sin. As well as the acts. It is not acts alone, but the giving into the thoughts and giving into the perversion. Otherwise, how can perversion exist according to Christianity?

    So you think it isn't wrong to be homosexual and support it and believe and "be" it, but it's only wrong if you physically do the acts.

    Do you think only physical actions can be deemed sin in regards to Christianity, but not thoughts/belief? That is different from temptation because you fight such immoral notions.
    Nothing confusing about it. Being attracted to the same sex is not a sin. No place in the Bible does it say it is. ACTING on it in thought or action is the sin.

    It is not that difficult.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    We are off topic, but the point still remains - the Bible teaches "love and peace". However, the Bible also teaches "obey me or you're going to hell". This latter lesson is mighty useful for power hungry men and in fact has been used to hold power over people for centuries and give MEN great influence over nations and populations. The idea that it was made for this purpose is not to ridiculous.
    The idea of "obey me or burn" is not what it is about. It is about love God above all things and treat others as you wish to be treated, that IS the summation of the law, period.

    The assumption is not ridicules, but it is not the point of Christs teaching. It is a guid for spiritual salvation, you have free will you can accept it or not.

    My point is when you start throwing things out to fit your life style and choices, where does it end? In the end anything can be justified this way.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Nothing confusing about it. Being attracted to the same sex is not a sin. No place in the Bible does it say it is. ACTING on it in thought or action is the sin.

    It is not that difficult.
    Giving into the devil's temptation is in. The devil's temptation, attraction to the same sex, is from Satan. It is the same when you are tempted to steal. Not giving into the temptation is good, but the temptation comes from Satan.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Not giving into the temptation is good, but the temptation comes from Satan.
    You need to speak to a clergymember to answer that properly.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Your position can be confusing.
    Not really.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    If you give into the temptation, and claim yourself gay, then it is a sin.
    How is "claiming you are gay" giving in to temptation? Either you are attracted to men or women, no sin involved in an attraction.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    As well as the acts. It is not acts alone, but the giving into the thoughts and giving into the perversion. Otherwise, how can perversion exist according to Christianity?
    This has nothing to do directly with attraction. Plenty of gay men and women are gay but good practicing Christians who do not give into the thoughts or physical acts. Makes them no less gay.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    So you think it isn't wrong to be homosexual and support it and believe and "be" it, but it's only wrong if you physically do the acts.
    I said nothing like this. If you have yet to figure it out, I don't know what to tell you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Do you think only physical actions can be deemed sin in regards to Christianity, but not thoughts/belief? That is different from temptation because you fight such immoral notions.
    Again already covered this.

    See above.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Giving into the devil's temptation is in. The devil's temptation, attraction to the same sex, is from Satan.
    It's from DNA, upbringing and many other factors. We are all born in sin so choose your poison or start throwing the rock since you are sinless obviously.

    I choose not to judge people on things they have not done since none of us are righteous, not one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    It is the same when you are tempted to steal. Not giving into the temptation is good, but the temptation comes from Satan.
    The temptation comes mostly from mans sinful nature. Satan does not have to do anything.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    They destroyed one text because it was the only one, let me emphasize the only one out of hundreds that said Jesus was just a man. That's it. The rest are available and were not burned etc.

    So your premise is based on flawed information. Which makes the conclusion incorrect as well.
    So, they claimed to destroy one text but you can't believe that they might have destroyed more than just that one? We have no way to verify exactly what happened during any of the counsels that decided what went into the Bible and what didn't, so we have no way to know for sure if they decided to keep something that happened in the counsel (such as censorship of unwanted texts/writings) in the counsel and never mention it again and never record it in any records from those meetings.

    And, again, we also have no way to truly know if there were other texts/writings that the compilers didn't even know about. Nor do we know every word that Jesus spoke about every matter. We have accounts of a lot of the significant things that he did, but even then, they are mostly from someone else's POV, not Jesus's. We don't know what he was thinking when he talked about things.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    The idea of "obey me or burn" is not what it is about. It is about love God above all things and treat others as you wish to be treated, that IS the summation of the law, period.

    The assumption is not ridicules, but it is not the point of Christs teaching. It is a guid for spiritual salvation, you have free will you can accept it or not.

    My point is when you start throwing things out to fit your life style and choices, where does it end? In the end anything can be justified this way.
    According to most Christian beliefs, if a person does not believe that Jesus died for our sins, then they are not going to Heaven. Along with this, is generally a mandate to ask for forgiveness for your sins and try not to commit the same sins again. Most Christians believe the only way to Heaven is through Jesus, which is according to the Bible. It doesn't matter how good a person is. That is a control thing. One of the things that has led some people, such as myself, away from Christianity, because I choose to believe that a good God would look into a person's heart and not be so petty as to expect people to believe in a book, such as the Bible, just because people thousands of years ago believed that they were telling others what God wanted and how to get to Heaven. I believe that God does not care what religion people follow or what small petty rules a person obeys, as long as they essentially live by the golden rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, and try to love each other. All the rest of the rules, including those about homosexuality and others, seem to me to be something that men would care about, not God. That is why I don't trust the Bible, because it does not fit with what my view of a good God is and it could have easily been manipulated by any of the many people who were responsible for it, from the writers of the text to the compilers and the translators and the changers.
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