View Poll Results: Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?

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  • It's wrong and unnatural

    22 7.94%
  • It's not wrong, just unnatural

    16 5.78%
  • It's neither wrong nor unnatural

    107 38.63%
  • Don't know/care

    16 5.78%
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    12 4.33%
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Yes, the angels that were in the town to determine if there was 5 people (besides Lot and his family) in the town who deserved to be saved, because that was deal that Saul(?) made with God to try to save the town from destruction. God had said before the angels went to the town that He planned to destroy it because they turned away from Him.

    And the men of the town came to rape the angels, but considering it was a belief in some earlier cultures/religions that having sexual relations with powerful beings (i.e. angels) would bestow at least some of that beings powers unto the person, it is very likely that they were hungry for the power that the saw in the angels, rather than there just for the sex. And, remember, God was already planning on destroying the city prior to the angels arrival anyway. I'm also certain that God would have been pissed if the men were trying to rape female angels as well (although this part confuses me anyway since I always believed that angels were sexless).
    So, it was basically a biblical version of prison sex?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Yes, the angels that were in the town to determine if there was 5 people (besides Lot and his family) in the town who deserved to be saved, because that was deal that Saul(?) made with God to try to save the town from destruction. God had said before the angels went to the town that He planned to destroy it because they turned away from Him.

    And the men of the town came to rape the angels, but considering it was a belief in some earlier cultures/religions that having sexual relations with powerful beings (i.e. angels) would bestow at least some of that beings powers unto the person, it is very likely that they were hungry for the power that the saw in the angels, rather than there just for the sex. And, remember, God was already planning on destroying the city prior to the angels arrival anyway. I'm also certain that God would have been pissed if the men were trying to rape female angels as well (although this part confuses me anyway since I always believed that angels were sexless).
    Just curious...but being that God is all knowing, all powerful, the alpha, the omega. Maybe since he (she) knew what was going to happen, he wouldn't have allowed the place to be built in the first place.

    Just sayin....

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    So, it was basically a biblical version of prison sex?
    Interesting comparison, but it could sort of work. The reasoning is different though.

    While a prisoner may get some perceived power from raping other inmates, while not being actually homosexual, the townsmen most likely believed that they could get actual powers (maybe flying, superstrength, I have no idea what powers the angels had) from having sex with the angels and they could care less what the sex of the angels were, since that shouldn't affect whether the townsmen would still have attempted the rape.

    It's at least better than believing that God decided to destroy a whole town because of an attempted rape on His male angels that proved (not really) that the townsmen were gay. This belief suggests that God would have spared the town had the attempted rape been tried against female angels.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Just curious...but being that God is all knowing, all powerful, the alpha, the omega. Maybe since he (she) knew what was going to happen, he wouldn't have allowed the place to be built in the first place.

    Just sayin....
    I have no idea. I don't really believe God works that way. I believe that God is more of a hands-off deity that has better things to do than destroy towns that don't worship him. Who knows? Maybe it was really aliens that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, and it was just blamed on God. Or it could have just been nature. I don't believe the version in the Bible anyway, but I will still correct illogical viewpoints based on what I have read in the Bible of the events that occurred.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Interesting comparison, but it could sort of work. The reasoning is different though.

    While a prisoner may get some perceived power from raping other inmates, while not being actually homosexual, the townsmen most likely believed that they could get actual powers (maybe flying, superstrength, I have no idea what powers the angels had) from having sex with the angels and they could care less what the sex of the angels were, since that shouldn't affect whether the townsmen would still have attempted the rape.

    It's at least better than believing that God decided to destroy a whole town because of an attempted rape on His male angels that proved (not really) that the townsmen were gay. This belief suggests that God would have spared the town had the attempted rape been tried against female angels.
    Huhhhh, RogueNuke...mind bouncing back to my post #1372...and maybe give me your opinion.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    There's plenty of evidence about pleasure responses and why they exist, and there is plenty of evidence for evolutionarily valid "purpose".
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    Care to share "evidence" for pleasure and evolution roles for human sexual behaviors?
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    Have't figured out how to link with the iPad...try googling psychotherapy and pleasure response....and maybe Robert depaolo.
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    Huhhhh, RogueNuke...mind bouncing back to my post #1372...and maybe give me your opinion.
    Can you go back to #1351 and give me your's?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    And you believe this (your) interpretation is the only valid interpretation possible?
    The interpretation uses the ACTUAL translations of Ancient Hebrew. Several of the words, like "to'ebah" were translated incorrectly. So, yes, this is the valid interpretation. Now, you can certainly interpret it differently, but you will be using incorrect translations and not adhering to context. If you want to do that... be my guest.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    I was looking for the bolded bit.
    Sorry about that. Real busy in RL. I'll try to post it tomorrow.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Sorry about that. Real busy in RL. I'll try to post it tomorrow.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The interpretation uses the ACTUAL translations of Ancient Hebrew. Several of the words, like "to'ebah" were translated incorrectly. So, yes, this is the valid interpretation. Now, you can certainly interpret it differently, but you will be using incorrect translations and not adhering to context. If you want to do that... be my guest.
    You can use your translations and still interpret it differently.
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