View Poll Results: Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?

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  • It's not wrong, just unnatural

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  • It's neither wrong nor unnatural

    107 38.63%
  • Don't know/care

    16 5.78%
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    How can you maintain judeo-Christian marriage and "homosexual unions", concurrently?

    In the same way dealing with legally recognized Buddhist marriages are dealt with today in the USA.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Right/wrong is irrelevant when speaking of other animals, but, the human brain has evolved to allow us control over these impulses, which has allowed other adaptations such as hidden estrous. Also, at risk of crossing streams, I dare you to google Margaret Sanger, aborigine, and sexual impulse control.
    I guess what I'm trying to say is, I don't see the impulse to be gay as being harmful.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    In the same way dealing with legally recognized Buddhist marriages are dealt with today in the USA.
    My bad....the judeo-christian model, which homosexual unions do not fit.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I guess what I'm trying to say is, I don't see the impulse to be gay as being harmful.
    Why would it need to be?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Why would it need to be?
    If I somehow needed to find justification for it being wrong/sinful.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    If I somehow needed to find justification for it being wrong/sinful.
    Why would you need to do that?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    My bad....the judeo-christian model, which homosexual unions do not fit.
    The Judeo christian model is irrelevent and not part of this discussion.. You can thank the 1st amendment for that.. You need to get over that Mac.. Your religious views are cow cookies in this discussion.. They have no bearing, they carry no weight, and are completely meaningless in this discussion.. That is just the way it is..

    There is nothing wrong with being gay, there is nothing unnatural.. That is all there is to it..

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Why would you need to do that?
    Because...the words "sin" and "wrong" are abstract and subjective...unless they are considered to be unlawful. Then the authorities will decide the consequence.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I don't believe that homosexuality is a birth defect (in addition I believe the definition of defect to be subjective), but that's for another thread.

    Let's say that, for the sake of argument, homosexuality is a birth defect. The incidence of defects among any population is, in my opinion, still a NATURAL occurrence.
    It really is up to opinion, i think the word natural is opinionated, whether you want it to be all inclusive or bounded. In the end i think its just political correctness not wanting to hurt gay peoples feelings. There is something that is not right with homosexuality(meaning the brain chemistry somehow got messed up in some way at birth), but i dont think its the homosexuals fault, much like if you have ADHD, albino, minor gigantism, dwarfism.

    What word would you use to describe homosexuals, albinos, midgets?.... its really hard to not come up with something that doesn't sound 'mean'. Unnatural is just a word to describe people with attributes that differ from the regular homo-sapien make-up in which has the most efficient functionality as a healthy human being.
    Homosexuality is a dysfunction because it decreases the sex drive to the opposite sex, which results in decrease chance in reproduction.... which is the only meaning of life as we know it according to biology, to reproduce.
    I believe most of us have some sort of dysfunction caused by many factors, but i think those are no less 'unnatural'.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    It really is up to opinion, i think the word natural is opinionated, whether you want it to be all inclusive or bounded. In the end i think its just political correctness not wanting to hurt gay peoples feelings. There is something that is not right with homosexuality(meaning the brain chemistry somehow got messed up in some way at birth), but i dont think its the homosexuals fault, much like if you have ADHD, albino, minor gigantism, dwarfism.

    What word would you use to describe homosexuals, albinos, midgets?.... its really hard to not come up with something that doesn't sound 'mean'. Unnatural is just a word to describe people with attributes that differ from the regular homo-sapien make-up in which has the most efficient functionality as a healthy human being.
    Homosexuality is a dysfunction because it decreases the sex drive to the opposite sex, which results in decrease chance in reproduction.... which is the only meaning of life as we know it according to biology, to reproduce.
    I believe most of us have some sort of dysfunction caused by many factors, but i think those are no less 'unnatural'.
    Alright I'll just have to disagree with one point here. This one. I don't plan, nor do I want to have kids, when I get older. If I do, I will plan on adopting. Am I dysfunctional?

    I believe both "defect" "dysfuntion," and "wrong" to all be subjective terms.
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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