View Poll Results: Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?

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  • It's wrong and unnatural

    22 7.94%
  • It's not wrong, just unnatural

    16 5.78%
  • It's neither wrong nor unnatural

    107 38.63%
  • Don't know/care

    16 5.78%
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    12 4.33%
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Thread: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Pleasure responses evolved to encourage us to conduct certain behaviors that are beneficial to the species, while pain and fear responses are meant to avert us from behaviors and circumstances that may harm us. The pleasure responses are hijacked in a number of ways, not just homosexuality. Why is this difficult for people to see? Homosexuality exists because we created it, not because it evolved to serve a purpose.
    Because there is absolutely zero evidence to support this assertion. There is also zero evidence that purpose exists.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Because there is absolutely zero evidence to support this assertion. There is also zero evidence that purpose exists.
    There's plenty of evidence about pleasure responses and why they exist, and there is plenty of evidence for evolutionarily valid "purpose".

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I don't think that's true. If it occurs elsewhere in the animal kingdom naturally, then how can you rule out that possibility in humans?
    Inability to control impulse.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Manual procreation
    I was going to say: variety.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    There's plenty of evidence about pleasure responses and why they exist, and there is plenty of evidence for evolutionarily valid "purpose".
    Yea i've only heard of one theory about the purpose of homosexuality in evolution, but that theory doesnt explain the occurance in other species so it is invalid.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    There's plenty of evidence about pleasure responses and why they exist, and there is plenty of evidence for evolutionarily valid "purpose".
    Care to share "evidence" for pleasure and evolution roles for human sexual behaviors?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Yea i've only heard of one theory about the purpose of homosexuality in evolution, but that theory doesnt explain the occurance in other species so it is invalid.
    Like I've said elsewhere, it's tricky comparing homosexuality in animals to that in humans.

    There are multiple hypotheses as to why homosexuality exists in the animal kingdom and in humans, but I disagree with the logic that if it somehow doesn't explain the behavior in all species, that it's somehow invalid.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Yea i've only heard of one theory about the purpose of homosexuality in evolution, but that theory doesnt explain the occurance in other species so it is invalid.
    The purposes for homosexuality in other animals need not be driven by the same factors. Homosexuality in bonobos and giraffe can simply be due to lack of impulse control resulting from more primitive brain processes.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The purposes for homosexuality in other animals need not be driven by the same factors. Homosexuality in bonobos and giraffe can simply be due to lack of impulse control resulting from more primitive brain processes.

    I wonder what the purpose of brown eyes is/are?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The purposes for homosexuality in other animals need not be driven by the same factors. Homosexuality in bonobos and giraffe can simply be due to lack of impulse control resulting from more primitive brain processes.
    If you subscribe to this view, apart from the religious argument, what precisely is wrong or unnatural about this same lack of impulse in humans?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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