View Poll Results: Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?

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  • It's wrong and unnatural

    22 7.94%
  • It's not wrong, just unnatural

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  • It's neither wrong nor unnatural

    107 38.63%
  • Don't know/care

    16 5.78%
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by RamFel View Post
    You can't answer, can you?

    Can you?
    I asked you a question which you have failed to answer, and have instead responded with another question.

    Homosexuality occurs in nature. There are several theories as to why it exists, but nobody knows for sure. But the fact that it exists in nature, clearly makes it natural even if its purpose isn't clear.

    Again you have yet to provide a rationale for your logical leap of "doesn't involve procreation" --> therefore unnatural.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by RamFel View Post
    Well, since gay sex is unnatural, and since marriage is only men and women, that means that SSM is not a real marriage. Oh, sure, it can happen, but it is a pretend marriage granted only because of your efforts to get it passed. If it passes, then you're just being mollified.

    You guys have to come down to earth. You'll never get "real" marriage!
    Not a "real" marriage? Tell me...if SSM gets legalized and the government recognizes it how is it not a "real" marriage?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by RamFel View Post
    Why is it that sex that can never create babies not unnatural?
    Two people who cannot create babies can have sex. For your logic to work, infertile couples and elderly couples, would also all be having "unnatural" sex. Sex is natural regardless of whether it can create life.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    And yet, homosexual behavior occurs in nature...one wonders why.
    Because there's no poon around and guys gets horny is my guess.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    Because there's no poon around and guys gets horny is my guess.
    Haha a bit off-topic but true story, I live in the DC Metro area and have volunteered a few times at the National Zoo. At the time, people were accusing the male panda "Tian Tian" of being gay. The baby panda Tai Shan had to be conceived through artifical insemination.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I think Dan is pretty familiar with my arguments on gay issues. It's RamFel that's not making any sense.
    And I think you know the answers, even if the poster you're addressing isn't giving them.

    This is an academic exercise to the pro-SSMers. You guys do seem to love the word and logic games here, but how is it playing with the people you bring this up to in your everyday lives?

    Do you win many converts there?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    Because there's no poon around and guys gets horny is my guess.
    What about lesbians?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Haha a bit off-topic but true story, I live in the DC Metro area and have volunteered a few times at the National Zoo. At the time, people were accusing the male panda "Tian Tian" of being gay. The baby panda Tai Shan had to be conceived through artifical insemination.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    What about lesbians?
    I don't know, Star.

    But I will say this. Many - not all - but many lesbians I have known do not like men. I mean they have an innate dislike of men. Visceral.

    Gay men, on the other hand, seem to adore women. Judy Garland, for example.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    And I think you know the answers, even if the poster you're addressing isn't giving them.

    This is an academic exercise to the pro-SSMers. You guys do seem to love the word and logic games here, but how is it playing with the people you bring this up to in your everyday lives?

    Do you win many converts there?
    I live in a pretty blue state but most of my peers, even in college, don't seem to give a **** about politics so it's not something I discuss with my friends a lot, and besides most of them are pro-SSM to begin with.

    It's sad that an SSM bill failed this year in the General Assembly though. I assume they'll try again.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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