View Poll Results: Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?

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  • It's wrong and unnatural

    22 7.94%
  • It's not wrong, just unnatural

    16 5.78%
  • It's neither wrong nor unnatural

    107 38.63%
  • Don't know/care

    16 5.78%
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Thread: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by RamFel View Post
    Simple. Gay sex cannot procreate, and it is therefore unnatural.
    You have an incredibly interesting definition of natural.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatSandeno View Post
    You have an incredibly interesting definition of natural.

    If you call RamFel's definition of natural "interesting" I got a bridge to sell Ya!

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post



    Again, homosexuality doesn't occur in great enough numbers to have any effect on the human species. No purpose.
    Really? Tell me then what is the percentage of orphans who have both parents who die? This is what should determine whether homosexuality, as somewhere between 2-8% of the population, could possibly be a part of serving the purpose of taking care of orphans. Now, I realize that not all orphans are those from that come from losing both parents to death, but it would be the most natural way (to me) to become an orphan.

    I have some statistics and information on orphans.

    Orphan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Orphans are a major concern in war and/or disease ravaged areas, and generally a lot less prevalent in 1st world countries, such as ours. In fact, we have a very small number of orphans here, especially in relation to our homosexual population. However, if you look at the total percentage of orphans in the world compared to all children, there are actually right around the same percentage of orphans, overall, as there are estimated homosexuals.

    Again, this is all speculation and really, not evidence that homosexuality is meant to serve this purpose, but it is a possibility.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by RamFel View Post
    Simple. Gay sex cannot procreate, and it is therefore unnatural.

    How many times do you plan on asking me the same question?
    So I will ask you as I asked mac: If the only sex which is natural is sex in which procreation is possible, do you then consider it unnatural when a woman who has had a hysterectomy or a man who has had a vasectomy have sex? After all, both are sterile so procreation is not possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatSandeno View Post
    You have an incredibly interesting definition of natural.
    It has the benefit of being true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Wow!

    Damn, why is it I have to have a busy day when something like this is said. Seriously, could you break down this train of thought a little bit? Marriage itself is an artificial construct, so what does being unnatural have to do with it?
    Well, since gay sex is unnatural, and since marriage is only men and women, that means that SSM is not a real marriage. Oh, sure, it can happen, but it is a pretend marriage granted only because of your efforts to get it passed. If it passes, then you're just being mollified.

    You guys have to come down to earth. You'll never get "real" marriage!
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by RamFel View Post
    It has the benefit of being true.
    Ehhh, no it doesn't.

    But that's okay when you live in your own world with your own definitions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatSandeno View Post
    Ehhh, no it doesn't.

    But that's okay when you live in your own world with your own definitions.
    Sure it does!

    OK, let's compare our arguments.

    Your side - that based on the dictionary definition of the word "natural", you conclude that gay sex is natural.

    My side - using basic biology, and showing how the purpose of sex is primarily for procreation, I show how gay sex (between same sex couples) fails consistently to produce children.

    Looking at both arguments, and trying to determine which one has the most weight (dictionary, or basic biology) it's easy to see which side wins the debate.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by RamFel View Post
    Sure it does!

    OK, let's compare our arguments.

    Your side - that based on the dictionary definition of the word "natural", you conclude that gay sex is natural.

    My side - using basic biology, and showing how the purpose of sex is primarily for procreation, I show how gay sex (between same sex couples) fails consistently to produce children.

    Looking at both arguments, and trying to determine which one has the most weight (dictionary, or basic biology) it's easy to see which side wins the debate.
    You mean dictionary, versus HORRIBLE LOGIC? How many times do you have to be told that just because something doesn't involve procreation doesn't mean it's unnatural?
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by RamFel View Post
    Simple. Gay sex cannot procreate, and it is therefore unnatural.

    How many times do you plan on asking me the same question?
    You didn't answer the question, how, or why. How does gay sex not procreating make it unnatural? Just because something doesn't involve procreation doesn't make it unnatural. How many times do you intend on spewing the same bull**** that is completely devoid of logic?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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