View Poll Results: Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?

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  • It's wrong and unnatural

    22 7.94%
  • It's not wrong, just unnatural

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  • It's neither wrong nor unnatural

    107 38.63%
  • Don't know/care

    16 5.78%
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Thread: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Dude, really?

    Homosexuality doesn't exist in great enough numbers in our species to do anything at all....much less anything beneficial.
    And I pointed out that you are talking about heterosexuality vs homosexuality, not sex that involves a penis and a vagina vs all other types of sex. There is a difference between sexual orientation and types of sex.

    Everyone could be born bisexual, and just fall into one or the other category because of the way they are raised (I don't believe this, but it is possible and would fit into some of the arguments you have made concerning homosexuality). A person could, at birth, have the ability to be sexually attracted to either sex/gender.

    And I provided you with two possibilities for why we could have homosexuality. Just because you choose to ignore them, does not make them any less valid. If you wish to discuss why they wouldn't apply, that would be better.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And I pointed out that you are talking about heterosexuality vs homosexuality, not sex that involves a penis and a vagina vs all other types of sex. There is a difference between sexual orientation and types of sex.

    Everyone could be born bisexual, and just fall into one or the other category because of the way they are raised (I don't believe this, but it is possible and would fit into some of the arguments you have made concerning homosexuality). A person could, at birth, have the ability to be sexually attracted to either sex/gender.

    And I provided you with two possibilities for why we could have homosexuality. Just because you choose to ignore them, does not make them any less valid. If you wish to discuss why they wouldn't apply, that would be better.



    Again, homosexuality doesn't occur in great enough numbers to have any effect on the human species. No purpose.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I don't think it's natural either, but to be honest...whether it is or isn't is not a deciding factor on whether or not we'll make it legal. Basically, the nature of homosexuality is a moot point. So when someone says "it's natural....bonobo's do it"....it's irrelevant.
    woohoo! voice of sanity from mac in a homosexuality thread! we should throw a party!
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    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post



    Again, homosexuality doesn't occur in great enough numbers to have any effect on the human species. No purpose.
    So if it has no effect, why do you care? What gives you the right to tell any other person, besides whatever children you may have, how to live their life?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    SB...that's the problem with all threads related to "homosexuality" or even abortion. Nobody has come forward with "any" viable reasons, which state what negative impacts or damages that homosexuality imposes on society as a whole.

    The reason that they can't is simple. When all of the religious arguments are scraped away from any debate...the threads go completely flat.

    And the real stickler is: They won't even say that their arguments are based on facts or opinions. There are rarely ever any postings that includes sources when claims or rebuttals are made.

    ALL WE GET IS...their personal opinions, which are based on their personal belief systems, which is rarely, if ever, related to any scientific studies OR just everyday observable behaviors that are undeniable to society.

    When we get opinions posted over and over, without any origin of facts used to voice opinions...it makes arguments...unarguable.

    Many arguments like "Natural or Unnatural" derails important questions such as "How is homosexuality wrong? Even the word "unnatural" doesn't define "right or wrong". It simply means "Inconsistent with an individual pattern or custom or deviating from a behavioral or social norm."

    "Natural law theory" is a label that has been applied to theories of ethics, theories of politics, theories of civil law, and theories of religious morality.

    So don't expect any concrete arguments in any forum related to this topic by those who can only voice personal opinions.

    THANKS for once again asking your question above. It has been asked over and over...without any results.
    RM - I agree with some of what you've said. What I'm trying to get at is why, in terms of logic, why the issue of natural vs. unnatural is even relevant to gay rights and legislation. At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    There is no evidence to suggest we developed homosexuality to serve any real purpose.
    "Purpose" has nothing to do with the definition of natural. There is absolutely zero evidence that anything on Earth has purpose. The idea of "purpose" is a purely philosophical or religious one and it is not involved in any accepted definition of natural.

    I also find it funny that you dodged CC's question yet again. Just define natural mac and while you're at it, tell us why dictionaries are unreliable sources for definitions.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It's my side...not me.




    There is no evidence to suggest we developed homosexuality to serve any real purpose.
    Some people say the same about this little organ called the appendix.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    There is absolutely zero evidence that anything on Earth has purpose. The idea of "purpose" is a purely philosophical or religious one and it is not involved in any accepted definition of natural.
    What about ecologic function... without which a species goes extinct, moves or evolves.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    What about ecologic function... without which a species goes extinct, moves or evolves.
    That does not suggest purpose, that merely suggests evolution and function. Purpose requires intent and intent is not apparent in nature.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    What about ecologic function... without which a species goes extinct, moves or evolves.
    "Purpose" implies a goal. In order for an ecological function to represent a purpose, one who have to believe that there was some sort of intended goal that the function was supposed to achieve.

    So the question becomes whose purpose?

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