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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by RamFel View Post
    Yes. It does. It means gay sex is unnatural.
    OK, I will play: and if gay sex is unnatural, what does that mean? Why does it matter? What argument in favor of SSM does gay sex being unnatural undermine?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It's easy to prove it is natural: gay sex occurs in nature.
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    That doesn't prove that human homosexual sex is natural.
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    Human beings are a part of nature. Therefore, all human sex occurs in nature. It's natural according to the definition RamFel provided.
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    So? Animals having sex has no bearing on human homosexuality.
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    No one is talking about (other) animals. We're talking about humans. Re-read what I said. Human beings occur in nature. This means that HUMAN homosexual sex is natural according to the definition provided.
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    Humans have gay sex in nature

    Too easy.
    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    So, of course humans can only perform natural acts by your reasoning?
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    Humans are animals.
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    Homosexual sex fits the definition of natural, while brain surgery doesn't. One happens without technological interference, and one doesn't.
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    Who cares? Do you deny that humans are capable of unnatural acts?
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    We have already established that you do not know what the appeal to nature fallacy is. THIS is not it. The appeal to nature logical fallacy applies morality (good vs. bad) to something that occurs or doesn't occur in nature. Good/bad is not being discussed here. A DEFINITION IS.

    So, not only are you failing in using faulty definitions to present your position, but you are erroneously using a logical fallacy to present your position. Good job.
    What we have here are several people claiming that homosexual sex is natural, at least in part, because humans are natural, they're animals and they can perform it without technological assistance. Is that not what you gather from the above quotes?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This is what they are implying... because they falsely claim it's unnatural. THAT is an appeal to nature logical fallacy. See, with or without the definition, THEY LOSE.
    That's a stupider argument than the religious one.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by RamFel View Post
    The definition is too broad, and not specific enough. Since you can't use gay sex to make a baby, that means gay sex is unnatural.
    Now you're just repeating yourself. Since you bring nothing new to the discussion, and what you bring is already discounted, I bid you good day.

    I SAID GOOD DAY!!

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Now you're just repeating yourself. Since you bring nothing new to the discussion, and what you bring is already discounted, I bid you good day.

    I SAID GOOD DAY!!
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    I bet one could use gay sex to make a baby.



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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by RamFel View Post
    Yes. It does. It means gay sex is unnatural.
    Alright...how? Can you please answer that question with a straight answer?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Good thing you quoted.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Good thing you quoted.
    Yes, because I have no idea what your previous post is supposed to mean.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    That's probably best. I was playing with semantics, particularly the word "use" in the definition provided above, in BD's post (quoted).



    Having given it a minute's thought, in addition to 'downloading' (fear the pun), pornography could be employed. In fact, I daresay, the number of ways in which gay sex can be used to make a baby is limited only by one's imagination.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 06-04-11 at 11:59 AM.

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