View Poll Results: Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?

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  • It's wrong and unnatural

    22 7.94%
  • It's not wrong, just unnatural

    16 5.78%
  • It's neither wrong nor unnatural

    107 38.63%
  • Don't know/care

    16 5.78%
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Thread: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I am not appealing to nature. Whether gay sex is natural or not has no bearing on my arguments about SSM. I am just laughing at your desperate attempts at claiming something that by any accepted definition of natural is, actually is not. Since you are putting all that effort into claiming it is not natural, you should at least try and support that claim. I was able to casually and without effort prove that it is in fact natural by the accepted definition of natural.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
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    This has what to do with you actually mentioning your definition of natural? Why are you so afraid of actually giving a definition?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Just so we are all clear. mac is using a definition of "natural" from Natural Moral Law which in turn is derived from Aristotelian Philosophy. Most people stopped using his definition of "natural" in the Medieval ages. The Catholic Church and other orthodox Christian sects have kept it alive. His definition of "natural" is a teleological construct. He believes that everything is designed to serve a purpose and if it does not serve that purpose then it is an "unnatural" act. This form of Aristotelian Philosophy was abandoned by most of the world hundreds of years ago since it was based entirely upon speculation and conjecture.

    For example, anal sex is "unnatural" because it does not lead to procreation. The rectum is not a reproductive organ. By extension, masturbation and oral sex are equally as "unnatural" since they don't lead to procreation. The hand and the mouth are not reproductive organs. In vitro fertilisation, which is the process of fertilising an egg with a sperm outside the body is also considered a highly "unnatural" act.

    Most people today use an empirical definition of "natural". Empiricism is the basis of science, and it holds that observation and measurement are the key to understanding the world. As such, the modern definition of "natural" is that which is observable and measurable. Homosexuality is "natural" by this definition because it can be observed occurring prevalently in the higher animal kingdom.

    So nobody is speaking the same language as mac. He is using an ancient and outdated worldview.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This has what to do with you actually mentioning your definition of natural? Why are you so afraid of actually giving a definition?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Can you choose not to eat?
    This answers my questions how? Let me repeat it:

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This has what to do with you actually mentioning your definition of natural? Why are you so afraid of actually giving a definition?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Just so we are all clear. mac is using a definition of "natural" from Natural Moral Law which in turn is derived from Aristotelian Philosophy. Most people stopped using his definition of "natural" in the Medieval ages. The Catholic Church and other orthodox Christian sects have kept it alive. His definition of "natural" is a teleological construct. He believes that everything is designed to serve a purpose and if it does not serve that purpose then it is an "unnatural" act. This form of Aristotelian Philosophy was abandoned by most of the world hundreds of years ago since it was based entirely upon speculation and conjecture.

    For example, anal sex is "unnatural" because it does not lead to procreation. The rectum is not a reproductive organ. By extension, masturbation and oral sex are equally as "unnatural" since they don't lead to procreation. The hand and the mouth are not reproductive organs. In vitro fertilisation, which is the process of fertilising an egg with a sperm outside the body is also considered a highly "unnatural" act.

    Most people today use an empirical definition of "natural". Empiricism is the basis of science, and it holds that observation and measurement are the key to understanding the world. As such, the modern definition of "natural" is that which is observable and measurable. Homosexuality is "natural" by this definition because it can be observed occurring prevalently in the higher animal kingdom.

    So nobody is speaking the same language as mac. He is using an ancient and outdated worldview.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This answers my questions how? Let me repeat it:
    Is it natural or unnatur to refuse to eat when Hungry?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Procreation is not part of the definition of natural. Dirt is natural, but it does not procreate. Repeating it time and again is not going to make it suddenly a part of the definition of natural.
    That's because your trying to prove gay sex is natural by using a dictionary. You can't do that. The definition is too broad, and not specific to the subject of gays.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Is it natural or unnatur to refuse to eat when Hungry?
    Without knowing your definition of unnatural, I cannot answer.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by RamFel View Post
    That's because your trying to prove gay sex is natural by using a dictionary. You can't do that. The definition is too broad, and not specific to the subject of gays.
    So we cannot use the source that has the definition of words to get the definition of words. That makes sense...
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