View Poll Results: Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?

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  • It's wrong and unnatural

    22 7.94%
  • It's not wrong, just unnatural

    16 5.78%
  • It's neither wrong nor unnatural

    107 38.63%
  • Don't know/care

    16 5.78%
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Thread: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    The idea of gay sex/marriage creating a decrease in population growth is silly. The estimated percentage of gays is pretty low, and I'm sure those idiots having 19+ children will more than compensate for the difference.
    Why does having a lot of Children make someone an idiot, in your eyes?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

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    For those who are arguing that homosexuality is unnatural, it doesn't really matter. Whether or not something is natural has nothing to do with whether or not it is good or bad. Driving a car, wearing polyester clothes, walking on the moon, etc. are all arguably "unnatural" and yet that does not make them bad things.

    And even if you do try to argue that homosexuality is unnatural in order to spin it in a bad light, that is simply based on your personal definition of natural. Natural can mean many different things. If something occurs prevalently in nature, then that could be defined as "natural" and homosexuality certainly does occur in hundreds of different species in nature.

    What you are trying to argue is that you can't conceive of how homosexuality serves a purpose. However, that is a poor definition of natural since it doesn't actually relate to nature, it relates to your ability to conceive of a purpose for homosexuality. As such, you arbitrarily argue that all sex must serve the purpose of procreation in order to be natural, but sex serves different purposes for different people. An infertile couple cannot procreate but they can still have sex for pleasure and bonding. Nobody would likely call that "unnatural", and so it isn't unnatural when homosexual couples have sex for pleasure and bonding.

    So I really don't see the point in calling it "unnatural" but if you it makes you feel better to call it such, then have at it I guess.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Why does having a lot of Children make someone an idiot, in your eyes?
    They can't support them. They feed them, educate them, clothe them...through the charity of others. The older of the 19 help raise the younger of the 19, and in this society there is no logical reason to have 19 children. If even one of those kids wants to go to college it'll cost about $65,000 for an in-state, public college. Let's say all 19 want to go, that's $1,235,000. So either 1.2 million in student loans, or hope and pray some of them get scholarships, or they pay for college on their own...while being held liable for helping raise the younger children that the parents don't have time or finances to raise on their own.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    So I really don't see the point in calling it "unnatural" but if you it makes you feel better to call it such, then have at it I guess.
    There is only one way they could define it as unnatural without labeling millions of things unnatural that they did not intend. God determines man's nature and reveals it in the bible. Without that they have nothing. But even that demands that we believe this God being is stupid and does not seem to know how to form definitions. Oh wait a minute, there is that old fallback. "God works in mysterious ways," which really means "nananananaa, I can't hear you, shutup, stop questioning God, the bible, the church and your preacher." They are afraid of cognitive dissonance and just try to pretend they don't see it.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    They can't support them. They feed them, educate them, clothe them...through the charity of others. The older of the 19 help raise the younger of the 19, and in this society there is no logical reason to have 19 children. If even one of those kids wants to go to college it'll cost about $65,000 for an in-state, public college. Let's say all 19 want to go, that's $1,235,000. So either 1.2 million in student loans, or hope and pray some of them get scholarships, or they pay for college on their own...while being held liable for helping raise the younger children that the parents don't have time or finances to raise on their own.
    I can't even remember the name of that family, but they seem to be doing just fine on their own.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Sorry, I mistook your "nature" comment to mean animal life.
    I don't think if humans do something it automatically makes it natural. Some humans have sex with children and others have sex with objects, I don't think those are natural. My definition of unnatural is more from a biological standpoint and not necessarily a social one. I do agree though that not all unnatural things are bad. Treating people with synthetic medicines is unnatural but it isn't bad.
    I think someone else has pointed this out, but that would be another word. Evil, bad, harmful, unlawful, but not unnatural. Unnatural means not of nature.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    I can't even remember the name of that family, but they seem to be doing just fine on their own.
    There was an E! story on them. They get food through donations, they had work done to their home to provide sleeping space through donations, they take their kids on mission trips through donations. They aren't on government assistance (that I know of), but they aren't doing it on their own, either.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    There was an E! story on them. They get food through donations, they had work done to their home to provide sleeping space through donations, they take their kids on mission trips through donations. They aren't on government assistance (that I know of), but they aren't doing it on their own, either.
    That is, of course, in addition to the money they got from having a television show.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I would consider low human birth rates as a benefit. We have over populated the planet as it is imo.
    I am discussing about the low birth rates in the Western World, the Third World is unimportant for me.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    You set your belief aside, OhIsee.Then.

    Do not assume your belief is scientifically correct. You are not absolute. We all speak our beliefs, and all of our beliefs are unproven in terms of "right and "wrong." Do not for once think your belief is absolute among others.

    If you're not even free to think deeply on this subject, then you're just speaking someone else's talking points.
    Originally Posted by digsbe:
    I believe that it is a sin according to the Bible. I also believe it's unnatural.

    To which I requested:
    Set your belief aside. (If you can’t you’re not even free to think about this subject, you’re just quoting someone else.) Then, please give us considered answers. Thanks.

    To which you corrected me as follows w/ some responses. I hope this helps:
    “Do not assume your belief is scientifically correct.”
    I’m not assuming I’m correct, I didn’t state and opinion in the post, and I don’t have a belief on this subject.
    “You are not absolute.” Yup, that my opinion, I’m not absolute anything.
    “We all speak our beliefs” Not true, most people hide their beliefs at least some of the time.“, and all of our beliefs are unproven in terms of "right and "wrong." That’s only if nothing is proven right or wrong.
    “Do not for once think your belief is absolute among others.” That is one reason I have so few or none.
    “If you're not even free to think deeply on this subject, then you're just speaking someone else's talking points.” That was my point to digsbe; to set his other-directed beliefs aside and consider this issue. It’s interesting what this does to people, their thought out opinion may differ from their beliefs.

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