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Is America finished as a republic?

Is America finished as a republic?

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 26.3%
  • I guess so

    Votes: 2 10.5%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 2 10.5%
  • I guess not

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No

    Votes: 10 52.6%

  • Total voters
    19
America is going to became a Socialistic Dictatorship without any Industry and Islam as the State Religion.

I'd say we'd be more imperial/facist than anything else. With corporate capitalism being cemented into the government even more than it is now. A total mixing of State and Industry along with draconian laws which go further than even the Patriot Act to ensure that everyone is living by the rules the government has set forth and no one questions it.
 
How can it be socialist[ic] if there is no production to own the means of?

You can ask Socialist Obama and his cronies who are pushing Socialism to America. E.G. his Health Care "Reform" with tens of thousands officials, thousands of idiotic rules, plundering of Medicare, additional high taxes and annihilating of good medical treatment.
 
I'd say we'd be more imperial/facist than anything else. With corporate capitalism being cemented into the government even more than it is now. A total mixing of State and Industry along with draconian laws which go further than even the Patriot Act to ensure that everyone is living by the rules the government has set forth and no one questions it.

Only Conservatism and Free Republic can still save America, Liberalism and Socialism are the way to destroying.
 
I don't stand by the doom and gloom portions of his speech, but yeah, Ron Paul's got his head in the right place. The specific things he talks about, unchecked war powers, surveillance and detainment of American citizens without due process, torture, and huge financial benefits given to powerful corporations... he's absolutely right. That stuff has got to go.

I'm also glad that he acknowledges that there are genuine reasons for Middle Easterners to be angry with the United States. We can't possibly find a way to co-exist if we do not acknowledge their point of view and their interests.

I wouldn't want Ron Paul in charge, because I think his ideas are a bit unrealistic, but I'm glad that we have his voice in the conversation.
 
Only Conservatism and Free Republic can still save America, Liberalism and Socialism are the way to destroying.

Modern day "conservatism" is nothing more than thinly veiled fascism.
 
I am not a fan of Ron Paul's politics, but you gotta admire the guy for his honesty and consistency, and that was a hell of a speech.

Honest, consistent, insane, over the top rhetoric, insane, boring and insane. I give it 2 out of 5 stars.
 
Oh, how so?

It's a huge mixing of State and corporate entities and an overabundance of loyalty to the State. The whole, If you're not with us, you're against us sort of thing. Stifling of dissent, the invention of "free speech zones", etc. Though it's not really limited just to the GOP. I think a lot of people mischaracterize the Democrats as socialist when fascist is what they really are.

In the end, there is very little functional difference between the Republicans and the Democrats. Both are built upon state power and state authority, going so far as to increasingly engage in aggressive and interventionist wars under guises such as "spreading democracy" which is supposed to build our spirit at home. Feel good about America, we're off giving freedom and democracy to others. Meanwhile, there is vast expansion of government intervention and power even at home at the cost of our rights and liberties as we whittle them away under some pretense of safety. The take over of the markets from free market capitalism to a corporate capitalist model, the quick and aggressive expansion of government power, engaging in essentially forever war which are aggressive, nation building interventionism is all well within the definition of fascist.
 
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You want to run that by me again?

Sure. Modern day conservatism is nothing more than thinly veiled fascism. Though it's not just the "conservatives" which engage in fascism. The Republocrats themselves are quite good at it.
 
It's a huge mixing of State and corporate entities and an overabundance of loyalty to the State. The whole, If you're not with us, you're against us sort of thing. Stifling of dissent, the invention of "free speech zones", etc. Though it's not really limited just to the GOP. I think a lot of people mischaracterize the Democrats as socialist when fascist is what they really are.

In the end, there is very little functional difference between the Republicans and the Democrats. Both are built upon state power and state authority, going so far as to increasingly engage in aggressive and interventionist wars under guises such as "spreading democracy" which is supposed to build our spirit at home. Feel good about America, we're off giving freedom and democracy to others. Meanwhile, there is vast expansion of government intervention and power even at home at the cost of our rights and liberties as we whittle them away under some pretense of safety. The take over of the markets from free market capitalism to a corporate capitalist model, the quick and aggressive expansion of government power, engaging in essentially forever war which are aggressive, nation building interventionism is all well within the definition of fascist.

Ok, so basically anything other than" :eek:ne man is a nation unto himself" is fascist.
 
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Ok, so basically anything other than" :eek:ne man is a nation unto himself" is fascist.

only if you want to be stupid about it.
 
America is going to became a Socialistic Dictatorship without any Industry and Islam as the State Religion.

This is the Alfons we know and love. Simply hilarious! Well done sir. You could write for Colbert.
 
How's that stupid? If both sides are fascist...that leaves what?

A tough situation for the People to fight out of. There are plenty of forms of government which are not fascist, it doesn't mean that it has to be some completely individualistic thing. Though all government tends towards tyranny given time, so regardless you have to watch out. There isn't really differing sides in the main party any more, they both functionally behave similarly. There has been a closure of political competition wherein the Republocrats solidate their control of the government through rules and regulations which prevent actual challenges. Even the media itself is captured and reports on sensationalism with severe partisan bias. So when people are saying "we're gonna be socialist" this or that, it's not quite correct because what both parties engage in is fascism, not socialism. It's all built upon the power and authority of the State over the People. Furthermore, both sides have championed vast expansion of government and aggressive, interventionist, forever war. Additionally both sides support the corporate capitalist model we have going now over free market capitalism which allows competition. It's a complete fusing of State and Industry such that government has complete dominion over Industry.

If you look around at the system for what it is, it is clear that what is being followed now is a fascist playbook. Modern day "conservatism", the folk who champion all this movement of government, is nothing more than thinly veiled fascism as I have said and subsequently explained and expanded.

But if both sides are fascist that leaves us with the job to find the proper party which can take over and reverse the damage which has been done over the decades by the Republocrats. It's not an all or nothing sort of thing, not yet anyway.
 
Naa America is still a republic. But we hvae had an olagarchy for a while now tho..
 
A tough situation for the People to fight out of. There are plenty of forms of government which are not fascist, it doesn't mean that it has to be some completely individualistic thing. Though all government tends towards tyranny given time, so regardless you have to watch out. There isn't really differing sides in the main party any more, they both functionally behave similarly. There has been a closure of political competition wherein the Republocrats solidate their control of the government through rules and regulations which prevent actual challenges. Even the media itself is captured and reports on sensationalism with severe partisan bias. So when people are saying "we're gonna be socialist" this or that, it's not quite correct because what both parties engage in is fascism, not socialism. It's all built upon the power and authority of the State over the People. Furthermore, both sides have championed vast expansion of government and aggressive, interventionist, forever war. Additionally both sides support the corporate capitalist model we have going now over free market capitalism which allows competition. It's a complete fusing of State and Industry such that government has complete dominion over Industry.

If you look around at the system for what it is, it is clear that what is being followed now is a fascist playbook. Modern day "conservatism", the folk who champion all this movement of government, is nothing more than thinly veiled fascism as I have said and subsequently explained and expanded.

But if both sides are fascist that leaves us with the job to find the proper party which can take over and reverse the damage which has been done over the decades by the Republocrats. It's not an all or nothing sort of thing, not yet anyway.

My question to you, in regards to your theory is whether under the scenario you assert we are now under, was this a natural progression given events and circumstances, or something planned and driven to arrive at the said conclusion?
 
A tough situation for the People to fight out of. There are plenty of forms of government which are not fascist, it doesn't mean that it has to be some completely individualistic thing. Though all government tends towards tyranny given time, so regardless you have to watch out. There isn't really differing sides in the main party any more, they both functionally behave similarly. There has been a closure of political competition wherein the Republocrats solidate their control of the government through rules and regulations which prevent actual challenges. Even the media itself is captured and reports on sensationalism with severe partisan bias. So when people are saying "we're gonna be socialist" this or that, it's not quite correct because what both parties engage in is fascism, not socialism. It's all built upon the power and authority of the State over the People. Furthermore, both sides have championed vast expansion of government and aggressive, interventionist, forever war. Additionally both sides support the corporate capitalist model we have going now over free market capitalism which allows competition. It's a complete fusing of State and Industry such that government has complete dominion over Industry.

If you look around at the system for what it is, it is clear that what is being followed now is a fascist playbook. Modern day "conservatism", the folk who champion all this movement of government, is nothing more than thinly veiled fascism as I have said and subsequently explained and expanded.

But if both sides are fascist that leaves us with the job to find the proper party which can take over and reverse the damage which has been done over the decades by the Republocrats. It's not an all or nothing sort of thing, not yet anyway.

Ok...well then, doesn't the tea-party movement at the very least threaten to destabilize that trend towards fascism? I mean, the only way to limit government is to defund it, so, who's trying to do that?

(no, I have no affiliation with the Tea-Party)
 
Ok...well then, doesn't the tea-party movement at the very least threaten to destabilize that trend towards fascism? I mean, the only way to limit government is to defund it, so, who's trying to do that?

(no, I have no affiliation with the Tea-Party)

The Ron Paul Tea Party is as you say. The Sara Palin/ Michelle Bachman version is only the old GOP social conservatives under a new banner.
 
Only Conservative I would ever consider voting for, the man is awesome!
 
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