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Thread: Is America finished as a republic?

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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    I think oligarchy and meritocracy would probably be a better system, instead of having Fox News and MSNBC mold public opinion, which in turn molds policy. It just smacks of hypocrisy when people bemoan the intelligence of the random voter and then demand more democratic policies, structures, and institutions. Why? So the dumb can lead us? We should probably start with education first, if that's what we're dedicated to sticking with.
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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    A Republic is run by intellectuals and attempts to protect the rights of the minority. Unfortunately, America in the past decade or so has turned into an all-out populist Democracy, where the majority feels it can essentially do whatever it wants.
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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I see what you did there.
    What'd I do?
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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Sure. Modern day conservatism is nothing more than thinly veiled fascism. Though it's not just the "conservatives" which engage in fascism. The Republocrats themselves are quite good at it.
    Conservatives = fascism
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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    ...just being pretty and all.
    And pollinating.

    But I guess "the market" should be doing that too, so no credit for leftist butterflies!
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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Conservatives = fascism
    Not the form which actually adheres to the political philosophy of the days of yore. Currently the movement is used instead to excuse gross expansion of government, interventionist wars, and acts against the rights and liberties of the People. You can make faces all you want, but reality trumps your fantasies.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not the form which actually adheres to the political philosophy of the days of yore. Currently the movement is used instead to excuse gross expansion of government, interventionist wars, and acts against the rights and liberties of the People. You can make faces all you want, but reality trumps your fantasies.
    That's a bit of an ironic statement coming from a libertarian.
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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    But the majority can be held hostage by the unethical, tyrannical minority as we have seen in the senate, going back years now. Placing anonymous blocks on legislation is an example of that.
    That is true, what I'm hoping for is that since we've tried the simple majority system, why not try this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I'm trying to get a grasp on what you mean by contributions? Personally volunteering to work on roads, trash pick up, etc...
    Yes, something of that nature but not necessarily those things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    How do we measure facts? What kind of facts?
    I think we should use things like tested true economic principals, political theory, material like that.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I understand it's in concept form, but could you please clarify to this point?
    1. If you do away with districts, does that mean each state is not separately represented?
    2. Does congress cease to exist?
    The House congress would be replaced with a Party Congress.
    There would be multiple parties of equal strength, none would have more power than another, no matter the membership they hold.

    I'd like to see the President appointed by a unanimous vote of all Party seats and Senate, which represents the states.

    Yes, it does make things more complicated and somewhat drawn out, but I think it would be for the best.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Unethical according to you? I know the argument you are making, I've seen it before.
    Wouldn't you agree, that a business person voting for a member of Congress because they support some kind of corporate welfare, is unethical?
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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yes, something of that nature but not necessarily those things.

    I think we should use things like tested true economic principals, political theory, material like that.
    Interesting. I see problems with both requirements, like setting up new bureaucracies to administrate and how do disabled citizens satisfy requirements.


    The House congress would be replaced with a Party Congress.
    There would be multiple parties of equal strength, none would have more power than another, no matter the membership they hold.

    I'd like to see the President appointed by a unanimous vote of all Party seats and Senate, which represents the states.

    Yes, it does make things more complicated and somewhat drawn out, but I think it would be for the best.
    How would the congress be chosen? I don't understand what mechanism would ensure parity?

    Wouldn't you agree, that a business person voting for a member of Congress because they support some kind of corporate welfare, is unethical?
    Everyone votes their own self interest. I don't see how that is unethical. What we have now is kind of a free market approach to government, no? Of course it's completely mucked up by corporate money and influence. I would support reforms that would take corporate money out of our elections by publicly funding candidates. Period. No outside money of any kind. No 527's or what have you either. No soft money. That would eliminate the bought and paid for politician.

    I think anyone who cares enough about government to actually vote, should have a voice in it. so I can't agree with what you've put forward, but it's an interesting discussion. Thank you.

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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Yes, because currently America is not a republic. Hopefully that will change in the future.
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