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Thread: Is America finished as a republic?

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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Ok...well then, doesn't the tea-party movement at the very least threaten to destabilize that trend towards fascism? I mean, the only way to limit government is to defund it, so, who's trying to do that?

    (no, I have no affiliation with the Tea-Party)
    I think that the Tea Party started out as a very good idea and was then quickly captured by the body politic. I think a few things we most certainly need to give the People the proper tools to control the government is first the complete repeal of McCain/Feingold. It's even now being used the wrong way where it censors the individual but allows corporations unlimited mobility. It should be the other way around. We also need to open up the political process by allowing multiple parties at debates. We also need to have actual debates and not little staged plays for us all to watch and absorb sound bites and no real information like so many freshman business classes. I for one would love to see the League of Women Voters get back the Presidential Debates. We'd also need a real press. One that isn't this biased, entertainment based crap we have now. But one that actually reports the actions and concerns of the government to the People so that we can have good and reliable information on what the government is doing.

    What we're seeing in our system now is the classic example of how government behaves when it begins to isolate itself from the control of the People it governs.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    My question to you, in regards to your theory is whether under the scenario you assert we are now under, was this a natural progression given events and circumstances, or something planned and driven to arrive at the said conclusion?
    I think it is exactly as Daniel Webster predicted

    "I apprehend no danger to our country from a foreign foe . . . Our destruction, should it come at all, will be from another quarter. From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence, I must confess that I do apprehend some danger. I fear that they may place too implicit a confidence in their public servants, and fail properly to scrutinize their conduct; that in this way they may be made the dupes of designing men, and become the instruments of their own undoing. Make them intelligent, and they will be vigilant; give them the means of detecting the wrong, and they will apply the remedy."
    — Daniel Webster
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think it is exactly as Daniel Webster predicted

    "I apprehend no danger to our country from a foreign foe . . . Our destruction, should it come at all, will be from another quarter. From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence, I must confess that I do apprehend some danger. I fear that they may place too implicit a confidence in their public servants, and fail properly to scrutinize their conduct; that in this way they may be made the dupes of designing men, and become the instruments of their own undoing. Make them intelligent, and they will be vigilant; give them the means of detecting the wrong, and they will apply the remedy."
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    You will get no argument from me that a majority in this country are intellectually lazy and ignorant.

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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What we're seeing in our system now is the classic example of how government behaves when it begins to isolate itself from the control of the People it governs.
    Well, I certainly can't argue against that.
    ”People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.” --- Ben Franklin

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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    You will get no argument from me that a majority in this country are intellectually lazy and ignorant.
    Which raises the question of why one would bemoan a movement away from democracy.
    A history of knowledge will not make us clever for the next time, but wise forever.
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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Well, I certainly can't argue against that.
    Mac...you can argue against anything...in you sleep!

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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nanten Janubi View Post
    Which raises the question of why one would bemoan a movement away from democracy.
    Because it will more likely than not end in a bad place. There are plenty of horrible forms of government, few good ones. And the good ones need constant upkeep from the People. We can sit on our laurels and do nothing as the government slowly degrades over generations. The pursuit of freedom and liberty is never ending, it requires constant input of energy and vigilance and an educated people. These are necessities for a free state. I do bemoan movements away from our Republic because those movements usually entail loss of freedom. I want to be free, everything else is secondary.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Mac...you can argue against anything...in you sleep!
    Thanks....I think.
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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Because it will more likely than not end in a bad place. There are plenty of horrible forms of government, few good ones. And the good ones need constant upkeep from the People. We can sit on our laurels and do nothing as the government slowly degrades over generations. The pursuit of freedom and liberty is never ending, it requires constant input of energy and vigilance and an educated people. These are necessities for a free state. I do bemoan movements away from our Republic because those movements usually entail loss of freedom. I want to be free, everything else is secondary.
    But if that input of energy and vigilance and an educated people isn't there, and if we agree it is required....
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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nanten Janubi View Post
    But if that input of energy and vigilance and an educated people isn't there, and if we agree it is required....
    It's still worth the effort. It's still worth striving for. It's still worth getting pissed off about when the government acts against our rights and liberties. Freedom is always going to be worth the effort.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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