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Thread: Is America finished as a republic?

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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    There should be multiple objective measures.

    I find it unethical that people who directly benefit or could directly benefit (monetarily and service) from a program or legislation, get to vote for those who promise to implement that legislation.

    It's wrong ethically.
    Then neither side could vote because each gains direct benefit. Tax cuts are just as much a direct benefit as welfare.

    Knowledge testing, contribution to society, things of that nature, should be done before any person could vote.

    Or, we should redesign the representation system.
    Instead of representation by district, each party should get equal representation and the people should vote for their representative.
    No more party X wins over Y, Z
    Who decides which knowledge or contribution to society is good enough to convey the right to vote?

    I don't think your concept of equal representation is so equal. One party will still prevail over the other, just is a bigger pool of voters? Or do I misunderstand?

    In suggesting this, are you doing away with the concept of one man, one vote? Or taxation without representation?

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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Then neither side could vote because each gains direct benefit. Tax cuts are just as much a direct benefit as welfare.
    Some tax benefits are just as unethical, I totally agree.
    I do not think our system works.

    It's severely broken because we have completely discarded what a republic is supposed to be.
    Majority rule but not at the expense of the minority.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Who decides which knowledge or contribution to society is good enough to convey the right to vote?

    I don't think your concept of equal representation is so equal. One party will still prevail over the other, just is a bigger pool of voters? Or do I misunderstand?

    In suggesting this, are you doing away with the concept of one man, one vote? Or taxation without representation?
    Edit: Contributions should be made on volunteering to preserve the common institutions of the society, roads, trash pick up, etc.
    The most complete review of facts should be done before using a testing measurement.

    The amount of people voting is immaterial.
    Each party has an equal seat, but only 1 seat or a council of seats.
    It's still in concept form but it could take a lot of the unethical money problems out of the system.

    One person, one vote should be tossed away.
    There is no reasonable justification for all the votes because many people come to their conclusions for unethical reasons.
    Last edited by Harry Guerrilla; 05-26-11 at 04:13 PM.
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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    America is going to became a Socialistic Dictatorship without any Industry and Islam as the State Religion.
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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    How can it be socialist[ic] if there is no production to own the means of?
    Last edited by ecofarm; 05-26-11 at 04:28 PM.

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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Some tax benefits are just as unethical, I totally agree.
    I do not think our system works.

    It's severely broken because we have completely discarded what a republic is supposed to be.
    Majority rule but not at the expense of the minority.
    But the majority can be held hostage by the unethical, tyrannical minority as we have seen in the senate, going back years now. Placing anonymous blocks on legislation is an example of that.

    Edit: Contributions should be made on volunteering to preserve the common institutions of the society, roads, trash pick up, etc.
    The most complete review of facts should be done before using a testing measurement.

    The amount of people voting is immaterial.
    Each party has an equal seat, but only 1 seat or a council of seats.
    It's still in concept form but it could take a lot of the unethical money problems out of the system.
    I'm trying to get a grasp on what you mean by contributions? Personally volunteering to work on roads, trash pick up, etc...

    How do we measure facts? What kind of facts?

    I understand it's in concept form, but could you please clarify to this point?
    1. If you do away with districts, does that mean each state is not separately represented?
    2. Does congress cease to exist?

    One person, one vote should be tossed away.
    There is no reasonable justification for all the votes because many people come to their conclusions for unethical reasons.
    Unethical according to you? I know the argument you are making, I've seen it before.

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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons View Post
    America is going to became a Socialistic Dictatorship without any Industry and Islam as the State Religion.
    I'd say we'd be more imperial/facist than anything else. With corporate capitalism being cemented into the government even more than it is now. A total mixing of State and Industry along with draconian laws which go further than even the Patriot Act to ensure that everyone is living by the rules the government has set forth and no one questions it.
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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    How can it be socialist[ic] if there is no production to own the means of?
    You can ask Socialist Obama and his cronies who are pushing Socialism to America. E.G. his Health Care "Reform" with tens of thousands officials, thousands of idiotic rules, plundering of Medicare, additional high taxes and annihilating of good medical treatment.
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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'd say we'd be more imperial/facist than anything else. With corporate capitalism being cemented into the government even more than it is now. A total mixing of State and Industry along with draconian laws which go further than even the Patriot Act to ensure that everyone is living by the rules the government has set forth and no one questions it.
    Only Conservatism and Free Republic can still save America, Liberalism and Socialism are the way to destroying.
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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    I don't stand by the doom and gloom portions of his speech, but yeah, Ron Paul's got his head in the right place. The specific things he talks about, unchecked war powers, surveillance and detainment of American citizens without due process, torture, and huge financial benefits given to powerful corporations... he's absolutely right. That stuff has got to go.

    I'm also glad that he acknowledges that there are genuine reasons for Middle Easterners to be angry with the United States. We can't possibly find a way to co-exist if we do not acknowledge their point of view and their interests.

    I wouldn't want Ron Paul in charge, because I think his ideas are a bit unrealistic, but I'm glad that we have his voice in the conversation.
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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons View Post
    Only Conservatism and Free Republic can still save America, Liberalism and Socialism are the way to destroying.
    Modern day "conservatism" is nothing more than thinly veiled fascism.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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