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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    How long does someone who hates the federal government have to work for the federal government before it becomes a little inconsistent?
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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nanten Janubi View Post
    How long does someone who hates the federal government have to work for the federal government before it becomes a little inconsistent?
    Hey technically doesn't. He's just thinking like he's back around the turn of the 19th century, and applying the Constitutional concept in a very inflexible way. It's not compatible with the modern world, but it would be if this were about 250 years ago.

    He's focused on being a Constitutionalist to the point that he cares more about that than intelligent policy, basically. What sucks is that even his position, which is as purist as it gets, is still subject to interrpretation.

    Missing the forest for the trees.

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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    The United Ceased to be a republic when the 17th Amendment was ratified.

    That as nearly 100 years ago.
    So, what exactly are the US today?

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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post


    What's your say?
    Not quite dead yet, but the Republic is on life support. The more and more ignorance we address politics with, the faster the Republic will slip through our fingers. It's very much becoming a closed off system with an established aristocracy. As government power grows, freedom decreases. And for quite some time we've turned a blind eye to the unfettered growth of government and its continued attacks against our freedom. The Republic is dying, do not be fooled into thinking otherwise. And we're letting it die. We've grown fat and lazy and dependent upon the government, and we have let the Republic fall into ruin. The ideals of the founders are being buried as we speak.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    So, what exactly are the US today?
    It's very similar to the old monarchy's of Europe. We have slightly different structure in government, so instead of birth we allow the people to vote and choose from the 2 presented candidates since the rules are really well set up to keep any other candidates from being presented in the same way. We have a declining middle class, an emerging aristocracy to whom government gives everything at our expense. It's not so much the "everyone is equal, everyone can participate" idealism of the founders where the classes, while present, weren't written in stone. That was an effect of the old Republic. The new imperial form is more static and closed off. The rich are better because they're rich and the poor suck so shut up and don't complain.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    That's why I don't like his politics.

    But what's cool about Ron Paul is he is very ethically consistent. I happen to think his political ethics are wrong, and in some cases, yes, perhaps they are also nuts. But he always uses due process, and his political philosophy is nearly perfectly consistent. A rare quality in a politician, and I wish I saw it in one I could agree with but I still respect him

    And in this case, I think he's right. Whether you agree with his extreme libertarian interpretation, a maintaining of checks and balances is something I think we can all agree on, and here he is right.
    MN, I agree with you about Rep. Paul's consistency.

    I live just outside of Ron Paul's district. When people take the time to research his "genuine" beliefs - it normally freaks people out - including me. And being the good "so-called open minded" Independent that I claim to be, I must confess that I have voted for Libertarians for major offices, but I really did so out of frustration over the alternatives not cutting it for me.

    But really, Ron Paul is really very interesting to listen to. Some things he says, like you've pointed out MN, it's just hard to disagree with some of his stances. Well, let me say that FOR ME Rep. Paul can be right on with identify problems and offering solutions for some issues.

    Thanks...

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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Ron Paul is right. The Federal Reserve has no checks and balances. It is merely the banking cartel ripping off the American tax payer. The President has become more powerful than Congress and the freedoms we have enjoyed are slowly slipping away. Every American who is born is born thousands of dollars in debt, all in the name of justice....
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    I think it's an inevitable behavioral response.

    The more comforts people have to more often they take them for granted and require more.

    I believe this largely started in the 1900's with the finalization of universal suffrage.
    (no this is not meant to be an attack against women but against universal suffrage in general.)
    We allow people to vote who do not have to justify their opinions with facts or reasonable logical conclusions.

    Another interesting point is that through the universal education of children, we've perpetuated popular myths or seriously debated issues as facts with a slant, they seem to all defend big government.
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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I think it's an inevitable behavioral response.

    The more comforts people have to more often they take them for granted and require more.

    I believe this largely started in the 1900's with the finalization of universal suffrage.
    (no this is not meant to be an attack against women but against universal suffrage in general.)
    We allow people to vote who do not have to justify their opinions with facts or reasonable logical conclusions.
    Are you saying there should be a test to qualify to vote?

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    Re: Is America finished as a republic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Are you saying there should be a test to qualify to vote?
    There should be multiple objective measures.

    I find it unethical that people who directly benefit or could directly benefit (monetarily and service) from a program or legislation, get to vote for those who promise to implement that legislation.

    It's wrong ethically.

    Knowledge testing, contribution to society, things of that nature, should be done before any person could vote.

    Or, we should redesign the representation system.
    Instead of representation by district, each party should get equal representation and the people should vote for their representative.
    No more party X wins over Y, Z
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