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Thread: Is Karl Rove Correct?

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    Re: Is Karl Rove Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Jackson against Adams was probably the worst. It'd be pretty hard to beat a campaign where one of the candidates wives was repeatedly referred to as a whore and an adulteress.
    that would be the Jackson campaign as well - which was absolutely brutal. The psychological trauma was actually so bad that Jackson's wife had a nervous breakdown and died.

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    Re: Is Karl Rove Correct?

    Past incumbent presidents have been far more respectful of their opponents than BO has been since he was elected. The speech in El Paso, with the "next they'll want a moat, with alligators" line, is a good example. Mischaracterization and villification of his opponent, often preceded, ironically, by a call for civility, is his thing. This won't be the same guy we saw in 2008.
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    Re: Is Karl Rove Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Jackson against Adams was probably the worst. It'd be pretty hard to beat a campaign where one of the candidates wives was repeatedly referred to as a whore and an adulteress.
    But back in those days the candidates didn't get directly involved in their campaigns. They had to remain above the fray. The partisans wrote and spoke on their behalf.

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    Re: Is Karl Rove Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Cp, if you where going for humorous irony, you succeeded grandly. Obama is not going negative yet
    you must have missed the speech where he brought Republicans to the school by hinting he was going to offer a compromise and begin negotiations, only to go on live television and accuse them of abandoning seniors and attacking autistic kids.

    but you are not wasting time, and whining about the fact that Obama might go negative some day is pretty lame.
    i'm not whining - i'm thinking strategically and predicting. The man doesn't want to spend it talking up himself, and he doesn't need to spend it in a primary. the main area of focus for political campaigns that is left is "define the opposition".

    Do me a favor in the future though...if you do not want to have an honest, actual discussion on a topic, mention it in advance so I know better than to formulate a polite reply.
    what? my reply to you was both honest and perfectly polite.

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    Re: Is Karl Rove Correct?

    When was the last time Karl Rove was actually right? The guy predicted that Republicans would take the house and the senate in 2006, he's lost touch and his role as a campaign man is gone. I don't know how it will go but it definitely won't be as nice as the last campaign. I think Obama will win by a slim margin. It all depends on what happens in Ohio and Florida the next year.
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    Re: Is Karl Rove Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post


    what? my reply to you was both honest and perfectly polite.
    No but it was impolite because you support the Ryan plan and don't support Obama.

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    Re: Is Karl Rove Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    But back in those days the candidates didn't get directly involved in their campaigns. They had to remain above the fray. The partisans wrote and spoke on their behalf.
    Up until the election of 1840. In Harrison vs. Van Buren both candidates did some campaigning, I believe.
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    Re: Is Karl Rove Correct?

    It will be ugly. They are already digging up dirt on Christy. Guess they know something we don't.
    Now this, that sounds illegal to me...


    White House Beefs Up Online Rapid Response

    WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration has created and staffed a new position tucked inside their communications shop for helping coordinate rapid response to unfavorable stories and fostering and improving relations with the progressive online community.
    The post is a new one for this White House. Rapid response has been the purview of the Democratic National Committee (and will continue to be). Lee's hire, however, suggests that a portion of it will now be handled from within the administration. It also signals that the White House will be adopting a more aggressive engagement in the online world in the months ahead.
    Lee has played that role in the past, including writing a semi-infamous White House blog post that said Fox News' Glenn Beck was lying about the administration on his show. His new gig comes with its own Twitter account, precisely for the purposes of disseminating push back.
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    Re: Is Karl Rove Correct?

    Given that the modern GOP has become more and more made up of ideologues who are motivated by BELIEF rather than anything else, it is inevitable that such policies which flow from the True Believers will have to be a central part of the campaign. The Ryan Plan is the perfect example. Is that negative? Is shining the bright light of day upon the darkness negative? Is using a strong bleach to get rid of the smell of cat urine on a floor negative?
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    Re: Is Karl Rove Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    It will be ugly. They are already digging up dirt on Christy. Guess they know something we don't.
    Now this, that sounds illegal to me...


    White House Beefs Up Online Rapid Response
    Well would you rather they do it right in front of you so you know they are doing it or would you rather they outsource it to campaigns, PACs, organizations they claim are independently funded or they have nothing to do with but actually in many times create the campaigns themselves? That is normally how it was done in the past. I'm trying to think of a prominent example of such dastardly horrible smear campaigns that helped win a president re-election...oh yeah here is one: Swift Vets and POWs for Truth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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