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Thread: Is Karl Rove Correct?

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    Re: Is Karl Rove Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I picked Gentlemans' Campaign, I reject the word 'smear' and replace it with the words 'tell the truth.' It's Republicans that use smear tactics.
    The utter definition of naïveté.
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    Re: Is Karl Rove Correct?

    Obama can't run on his record because it's a series of failed programs, empty promises, what has to be approaching 200 confirmed lies, billions in wasted money we don't hope to have any time soon, so he has no choice but go on the attack.

    Liberals are arguing that Obama has been great blah, blah, blah, but if they have two brain cells they know deep down inside that none of it's true because, Liberals get laid off too, and everyone suffers from the cost of inflation.

    So I have to say duck & cover. That's me on the right. lol

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    Re: Is Karl Rove Correct?

    Most negative campaign I can remember is 1988... Bush I vs. Dukakis. But Fiddy is correct. Nothing can compete with the campaigns of the 19th Century.
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    Re: Is Karl Rove Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Every one seems more negative than the last one.
    Doesn't this tell all that campaign and campign finance reform are a must - NOW !
    No "republican" is worth wasting one billion dollars on.
    The Presidential run time should be 60 days only and cost no more than one million, which to me is a lot !

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    Re: Is Karl Rove Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I picked Gentlemans' Campaign, I reject the word 'smear' and replace it with the words 'tell the truth.' It's Republicans that use smear tactics.

    Both parties use "smear" - a sad reflection on the American people.
    The "truth" ?
    I admit that I do not know this.
    IMO, the liberal way is better, but our people may not be ready for this...
    Hope I am wrong..
    A most pleasant surprise that Mr Obama was elected in the first place..

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    Re: Is Karl Rove Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    We are on the cusp of the most negative reelection campaign ever


    Now.... removing the bit never; are we about to see an extremely negative campaign? Obama is claiming he is going to collect $1 Billion, and he's not going to have to spend it in a primary. I would say he's unlikely to want to run on his record over the last 4 years,
    He will run in part on his record for sure. He has to appeal to liberals and the middle, which parts of his record will do. He will also promote his successes, notably things like continuing to withdraw from Iraq, killing OBL, getting rid of DADT. The economy if it is recovering(it looks quite possible) will also be a positive he emphasizes.

    will he spend all that attacking the Republican and demagogueing the Ryan Plan? Or will we see a replay of 2008, when there was actually a fairly positive campaign as both candidates focused on what they wanted to bring to the country?
    You do not have to demagogue the Ryan plan, and you and other republicans have done a nice job of demagogueing those who oppose the plan. The Ryan plan is so easy to use as honest ammunition it is almost scarey, and will certainly be in play. "The party of no" will get a repeat. I would tend to think the republican will probably go more negative than Obama, since unseating a sitting president is hard to do, but there is no guarantee of that.
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    Re: Is Karl Rove Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    No. I don't think we can yet beat the atmospheres of many elections in the 19th century.
    Jackson against Adams was probably the worst. It'd be pretty hard to beat a campaign where one of the candidates wives was repeatedly referred to as a whore and an adulteress.

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    Re: Is Karl Rove Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    No. I don't think we can yet beat the atmospheres of many elections in the 19th century. Rove is playing it up, just like everyone else in the short-sighted media. Wake me up when Obama is openly called an atheist, when Congressmen are beaten with cains in the halls of Congress, when some of our most important leaders are about ready to step outside and have a shooting match to the death, when our nation is going to separate with threats of war. Until then, stop watching television and read some history books.

    Now, will it be negative? You bet your butt it will be. Will it be more so than other times? You bet your butt it will be. Does that make it special? No.
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    Re: Is Karl Rove Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    He will run in part on his record for sure. He has to appeal to liberals and the middle, which parts of his record will do. He will also promote his successes, notably things like continuing to withdraw from Iraq, killing OBL, getting rid of DADT.
    "continuing to withdraw from Iraq" is so far "continuing to stay in Iraq" - I see that as not appealing to the liberal base that he promised we would leave rapidly.

    Killing OBL is a good-feelings shot, no doubt. But I don't really see him getting alot of long-term traction from it, unless he uses it as an excuse to begin speeding up a withdrawal from Afghanistan, which will appeal to moderates and the left.

    Getting rid of DADT appeals I think only really to the Left. A majority of people probably thought it was a good move, but was only really a "cause" for them.

    The economy if it is recovering(it looks quite possible) will also be a positive he emphasizes.
    the "economic recovery" we are experiencing is the weakest point in his record - it is well below every single post-war recovery in American history, by several factors. It's a 30-second ad for Republicans to compare Obama's Stimulus Recovery to Reagan's in terms of jobs-created, and the picture isn't pretty for the President.

    You do not have to demagogue the Ryan plan
    I agree, they do not. They should instead put forth their own alternative. But I think they [i]will[/il] demagogue the Ryan Plan - the President made this clear with his "grannie and autistic kids" speech, and we have only seen demagoguery since.

    and you and other republicans have done a nice job of demagogueing those who oppose the plan.
    where? I accuse them generally of not having an alternative, and being dishonest when they describe it as "killing" Medicare or attacking seniors. Why would Republicans want to attack Seniors? That's like arguing that since Democrats are bigger spenders, they must hate and want to attack our children (who will have to suffer the burden of this debt).

    The Ryan plan is so easy to use as honest ammunition it is almost scarey, and will certainly be in play.
    The Ryan plan is indeed scary - but we are at the point where our fiscal reality is scary. Any realistic attempt to avoid a debt crises will involve solutions that seem scary. But that is not an excuse to accuse each other of seeking to pull seniors out of nursing homes and throw them into the snow.

    "The party of no" will get a repeat.
    hard to accuse a party of simultaneously seeking to do too much to solve the country's problem and accuse them of doing nothing at all.

    I would tend to think the republican will probably go more negative than Obama, since unseating a sitting president is hard to do, but there is no guarantee of that.
    I think that the Republicans will need to spend a good chunk of money defending and explaining the Ryan Plan. The Administrations' refusal to release an alternative may be bad policy, but it is good politics, as it leaves them nothing to explain and defend themselves.

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    Re: Is Karl Rove Correct?

    Cp, if you where going for humorous irony, you succeeded grandly. Obama is not going negative yet, but you are not wasting time, and whining about the fact that Obama might go negative some day is pretty lame.

    Do me a favor in the future though...if you do not want to have an honest, actual discussion on a topic, mention it in advance so I know better than to formulate a polite reply.
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