What is your political Stance?

My political lean is Church-going and Bible-reading Conservative Christian who support the Tea Party and sometimes conservative Republicans!

Alfons said:

My political lean is Church-going and Bible-reading Conservative Christian who support the Tea Party and sometimes conservative Republicans!

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Are you sure?

Alfons said:

My political lean is Church-going and Bible-reading Conservative Christian who support the Tea Party and sometimes conservative Republicans!

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Wow, cream of the crop....

I'm starting to think Alfons is one of these joke members that we get every so often. I am what I would consider a moderate democrat. I have been in a Republican family, my grandfather was a huge Republican but my thoughts are is the moderate or slightly conservative Democrats are like the Republicans of a few years ago, the Republican that exist today is a new kind of beast that never existed before and has a view of the world or how it used to be that never existed before. They use petty name calling and a lot of scare tactics to make people believe what they believe, and the actual politicians make it no secret that they care more for their own than they do the American people. I have not been a democrat for long, actually experiencing life is what has changed my views. I still despise bleeding heart liberals, but not nearly as much as I despise the conservatives as a movement because they either know what they will do is going to hurt people or they follow those that know it will hurt people and are to stupid to see otherwise.

Wake said:

Are you a liberal or conservative, etc?

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Neither. I'm a libertarian socialist, with hints of anarchist.

Why?

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I believe people are basically good, but that capitalist society demands that economic priorities pit worker against worker and boss against worker. It demands increasing inequality and ensures that resources are not distributed equitably between nations, classes, sexes, ages etc. It guarantees conflict and draws out the worst possible aspects of human behaviour. I want to see an end to this economic system, ideally by peaceful democratic means, who knows if that would be possible?

What makes your stance better than others?

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Because it's mine. If I didn't think it was any good, I'd have no business maintaining it as my stance, would I?

Do you percieve any flaws in your stance?

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Hundreds. The nature and shape of the kind of society I would like to see is vague to say the least, especially in terms of economic organisation. Also, the very real possibility that in order to bring about the downfall of the current system, violence might be either necessary or inevitable. I want to see a pacifist society emerge, how then could I support the violent overthrow of the current system?

Which one specific aspect of the other political identities do you abhor?

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In liberals, opportunism. They lament the evils of capitalist society while being unprepared to do anything about the underlying causes. They just tinker around with the symptoms.

In conservatives, hypocrisy. They lament the rise of 'political correctness gone mad', and then try to impose their own orthodoxy at every turn. Their 'political correctness' stipulates that only they are allowed to define marriage, only they know what patriotism really means.

In right-libertarians, short-sightedness. They lament the lack of freedom from 'big government' but are happy to have us all submit to the tyranny of big corporations, indeed they seem to exist to liberate not the individual, but the private sector. Shills for the rich, hoping to be rich one day themselves.

I'm a LIBERAL. Why? That's easy. We LIBERALS are intellectually superior to those of other political suasions. There are no flaws in my political stance. None whatsoever.

Wake said:

Are you a liberal or conservative, etc?

Why?

What makes your stance better than others?

Do you percieve any flaws in your stance?

Which one specific aspect of the other political identities do you abhor?

Thank you.

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Wake said:

Are you a liberal or conservative, etc?

Why?

What makes your stance better than others?

Do you percieve any flaws in your stance?

Which one specific aspect of the other political identities do you abhor?

Thank you.

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My stance is not necessarily better than others. I just happen to think I am somewhat escaping many of the idealistic platitudes of many I know, while still being susceptible to faults of my own positions which of course do not offer the best course at all times (perhaps subscribing to idealistic platitudes that are not necessarily common to others, but are still just as flawed). Sometimes more decisive liberal or conservative action is needed, and I do not doubt that my own stances may not be able to move from one to the next when it is supposedly needed. This especially comes true when all is said and done and retrospective analysis begins or is finished.

Yukon said:

I'm a LIBERAL. Why? That's easy. We LIBERALS are intellectually superior to those of other political suasions. There are no flaws in my political stance. None whatsoever.

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I'm am most happy to be what you're not.

Are you a liberal or conservative, etc? I am much more sympathetic to conservatives in general then liberals, but i don't technically consider myself one. I am closest to being libertarian, but not strictly.

Why? Liberty, freedom, i believe people ought to be able to do whatever the hell they want as long as it doesn't deny others liberty, and i think nature, environment, and animals have similar liberties as we do and should'nt be violated.
I also think we should ALWAYS look for a free market/choice solution to problems, i don't buy the claim that bigger government is the only way, freedom and liberty is always worth the effort.


What makes your stance better than others? Taking human nature into account, i believe it is the most realistic and fair for everyone... because life is not fair, we are not born equal but born will equal rights, as long as people have the right to choice, they have a right to balance the unfairness of life with thier own choices or to stay there and wither.

Do you percieve any flaws in your stance? Heartless? Darwinian?... i think of government as a morally neutral institution, and its for individuals to decide to help each other out or not. I just weigh liberty for all people and animals as the highest priority, to me, that is the most valued aspect of any creatures life... so to me it is not heartless.

Which one specific aspect of the other political identities do you abhor? Having government regulate anything other then protection of liberty for people and the environment and a strong national military. Fiscal/governmental liberals i despise the most.

Yukon said:

I'm a LIBERAL. Why? That's easy. We LIBERALS are intellectually superior to those of other political suasions. There are no flaws in my political stance. None whatsoever.

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haha... typical aristocrat thinking hes is the one who should herd the sheep, cause he knows best.

Gandalf : "Tell me, "friend", when did Yukon the Wise abandon reason for madness?"

:gunsmilie

Yukon said:

I'm a LIBERAL. Why? That's easy. We LIBERALS are intellectually superior to those of other political suasions. There are no flaws in my political stance. None whatsoever.

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liberals have to believe that in order to justify controlling the lives of others

Wake said:

What is your political Stance?
What makes your stance better than others?

Do you percieve any flaws in your stance?

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My political stance begins with the left foot advanced about 18 inches, and the body bladed at a 45 degree angle. My knees are slightly bent and my weight is slightly forward on the balls of both feet, but not so much as to raise the heels off the floor.
It is superior to other stances due to balance, ease of movement in all directions, and a good blend of offensive and defensive capabilities.
It's chief flaw is a weakness to the outside line.

Oh, waitaminute... POLITICAL stance.... :doh :3oops: :mrgreen:


I am a right-center conservative who leans libertarian on several issues.
I see the purpose of government as that of preserving the life, liberty and pursuit of happiness by its citizens, by providing security against outside threats and such order internally as is necessary to achieve those goals while allowing as much of a free market as feasible.
My chief flaw is that I sometimes struggle to find my place somewhere between pure conservative and practical-libertarian.

I particularly despise communism, most aspects of socialism, most flavors of State-ism and authoritarianism.... but I reserve my greatest vitriol for those who want to make it impossible for me to defend myself against unjust aggression.

Wake said:

Are you a liberal or conservative, etc?

Why?

What makes your stance better than others?

Do you percieve any flaws in your stance?

Which one specific aspect of the other political identities do you abhor?

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Are you a liberal or conservative, etc?

I am a progressive.

Why?

Because I agree greatly with the ideals and values of the progressive community

What makes your stance better than others?

My stance isn't better than others. My stance is my stance.

Do you percieve any flaws in your stance?

Not really, for the most part my stance has sound logical arguments with a moral underpinning to them.

Which one specific aspect of the other political identities do you abhor?

I am not a big fan of communism because for the most part communism (as it was enacted) was not about helping the working class, but rather about a small minority wanting power for themselves. I personally think that Marx did not factor in human nature to the equation, I think that if he had, communism would be able to work.

Yukon said:

I'm a LIBERAL. Why? That's easy. We LIBERALS are intellectually superior to those of other political suasions. There are no flaws in my political stance. None whatsoever.

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So liberalism is arrogance and closemindedness.

Anyway, on a serious note, I chose other. I am a libertarian Republican.

Why?
I believe in free markets and limited government, as well as respect for individual liberty, whether it be economic, social, or foreign.
What makes your stance better than others?
It doesn't try to use the government to force people to adopt its values.

Do you percieve any flaws in your stance?
Silly question...I am open to new ideas that may challenge my position and reveal flaws, but I would be a lunatic to support a position and at the same time say it is full of flaws.

Which one specific aspect of the other political identities do you abhor?
Liberals/Keynesians: The idea that government is productive, and that spending is production.
Socialists/Communists: The labor theory of value.
Conservatives: Federal laws mandating social values.
Mainstream economics: That capitalism causes the boom-bust cycle, cost theory of value.

Lakryte said:

Which one specific aspect of the other political identities do you abhor?
Liberals/Keynesians: The idea that government is productive, and that spending is production.
Socialists/Communists: The labor theory of value.
Conservatives: Federal laws mandating social values.
Mainstream economics: That capitalism causes the boom-bust cycle, cost theory of value.

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Ewww. I actually agree with you on most of this. My only caveats is that I have no objection to Federal laws mandating social values, but the Conservatives' social values are borked, and that it isn't capitalism that causes boom-bust cycles but the process of market speculation.

Viktyr Korimir said:

Ewww. I actually agree with you on most of this. My only caveats is that I have no objection to Federal laws mandating social values, but the Conservatives' social values are borked, and that it isn't capitalism that causes boom-bust cycles but the process of market speculation.

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I personally have conservative values, (importance of marriage, abstaining from drugs, etc). but it is unconstitutional and tyrannical to force them on anyone else. I would say the same for anyone who forced any social values. I believe that market speculation is a vital component of capitalism, but I disagree that it causes the boom-bust cycle. But at least on the other points we have common ground. It is always easier to talk to someone if you agree on something.

I voted other, I am a moderate republican.

I voted other. I chose to not adopt a political philosophy and I take each issue as it's own with its own unique solution. When it comes to healthcare I am very liberal/progressive. When it comes to fiscal spending I would say I am more "conservative" in that I want lower taxes and less spending. However, I would not portion the spending according to conservative ideals. I support same sex marriage. I oppose the death penalty and I am very pro-life.

I don't adopt a political philosophy and apply it to all/most issues, I go the opposite way. I take the issues as their own and apply to them a belief that I believe is best for solving that issue.

When it comes to healthcare I am very liberal/progressive. When it comes to fiscal spending I would say I am more "conservative" in that I want lower taxes and less spending.

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How would you fund a huge government healthcare program if you want less spending and taxes? I don't necessarily disagree with your issue by issue method, but that often leads to inconsistency, which is hard to explain.

Lakryte said:

How would you fund a huge government healthcare program if you want less spending and taxes? I don't necessarily disagree with your issue by issue method, but that often leads to inconsistency, which is hard to explain.

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A government healthcare program does not equal more taxes, and increased spending, it depends on what else the government is doing, and what the program entails.

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How would you fund a huge government healthcare program if you want less spending and taxes? I don't necessarily disagree with your issue by issue method, but that often leads to inconsistency, which is hard to explain.

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I would reform how healthcare is administered. As it is way pay too much for healthcare services anyway. I believe how healthcare is administered now is very inefficient.

Wake said:

Are you a liberal or conservative, etc?

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Technically, I'm a neopaleoprogressivist. According to your poll, however, I voted myself as a non-conservative Republican.

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Because I feel that it's the best of both worlds. My philosophy is that our world is full of competing interests all vying for resources that each organization and person try to secure for itself for their own well-being.

So by having government forces compete with corporate forces I believe that individual people are able to live better lives.

Another part of my philosophy is something I call "organization psychology." That is the psychology of organizations.

I think that for-profit businesses have only one goal - to exploit resources in order to make profit. Also, the larger and further removed the executives of a business are from the consequences of their actions the more likely they are to use hurtful or abusive practices to gain a profit. Small businesses are closer to the consequences of their actions, and so are more empathetic to their employees and customers. Large businesses, however, are less empathetic to their employees and customers because of their large sizes and the sheer number of people they employ makes it near impossible to treat every employee and customer with a level of intimacy. Large businesses don't care how they treat their employees or their customers - only how they profit matters.

Please note that this isn't a criticism of businesses. It's just an honest assessment of their purpose as an organization.

However, this would put businesses along the lines of the "Id" according to Freudian psychology. Rather than the pleasure principle, however, businesses operate according to the profit principle. And so long as a business makes a profit they care little about the consequences of their actions in acquiring a profit.

Because businesses, especially large businesses, can perform hurtful practices in the pursuit of profit they require some way to enforce empathy upon them in order to regulate their behavior. That is they need a "super-ego" to provide a structure of behavior that will ensure they act with good faith for their employees, their customers, and people in general.

So, in this way, businesses can do their purpose - exploit resources done by employees and provided to customers for a profit - regulated by the government - who ensures that the exploitation that businesses do are not overly hurtful or abusive to individuals.

So mostly neopaleoprogressivism states that the best form of government is the kind that regulates businesses. However, personally, I agree that there are some functions - such as our penal system, the military, and emergency services - that are best done by the government regardless.

The reason why I consider myself a non-conservative Republican is because I believe in many of the interests of the Republican Party. That is I believe in entrepreneurship and the importance of business That's why I'm a Republican.

However, I'm non-conservative because I don't hold that the government is adversarial towards businesses. After all, as a business owner I need to hire employees with a basic education. Therefore I should support public education. Also as a business owner I need my employees to be healthy. Therefore I need to ensure they have access to adequate health care and that food safety regulations are in place. As a business owner I also need good roads to allow goods and customers to flow, so I support transportation infrastructure of all kinds.

Basically, as a business owner I don't mind government regulations on businesses, as I realize that my business is a customer to other businesses, and therefore as a customer I require protections and therefore benefit by regulations on other businesses. Hence why I'm a non-conservative Republican.

Wake said:

What makes your stance better than others?

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My stance is more practical than ideological. As I said before it doesn't put me in an adversarial position to government but rather to a supporter of government. My business benefits from government regulations and programs. Therefore I should not oppose the government purely on ideological grounds. Rather I should ensure that the government benefits my business interests and pay taxes to ensure that the government does so.

Wake said:

Do you percieve any flaws in your stance?

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Others may not like the fact that I don't take a hard line on stances. Also, while government should regulate businesses I don't think the government should regulate everything. Therefore statements about this philosophy may cause others to go off the rails. Also, my philosophy pre-supposes that groups with work together to try to find mutual self-interest - when conflicting groups work together to come to a compromise instead of exclusive self-interest - when conflicting groups demand only their own best self-interest without compromise. All too often we get the latter rather than the former.

Wake said:

Which one specific aspect of the other political identities do you abhor?

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I abhor extreme libertarianism. Oh, I understand the appeal to it, and to some degree I even appreciate it. However I don't think that the points of libertarians are realistic. It pre-supposes that people, businesses, and organizations are always rational actors - and people, businesses, and organizations usually aren't. Therefore, all their models tend to be drastically off.

I admit, there's a few specific things about libertarianism I agree with, but for the most part I am against the whole of the philosophy.

Wake said:

Thank you.

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You're welcome.

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Are you a liberal or conservative, etc?

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A Libertarian

Why?

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Because I want to be left alone and Im not a busy body.

What makes your stance better than others?

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Because I dont advocate harassment of others by the state and believe that the state is neither a nanny or a teacher.

Do you perceive any flaws in your stance?

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Which one specific aspect of the other political identities do you abhor?

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Neoconservative - always believe that the newest Muslim despot or some random Muslim guy is the next Hitler and we have the murder and kill other Muslims just to be sure. In addition the continuation of supporting theft (foreign aid, global welfare). Follows the logic that those who wear a badge are automatically right

Paleoconservative - supporting anti-free market policies who disguise it under the banner of nationalism aka Protectionism

Economic Liberalism - See the first two and supporting theft under the guise of "helping people"

Are you a liberal or conservative, etc?

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I am an Democratic socialist who believes in participatory democracy, workplace democracy, syndicalism, and worker co-ops.

Why?

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Because i believe in social justice, equality, and a more just society, which gives the people more power and more say in their government and workplace.

What makes your stance better than others?

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Justice and people power.

Do you percieve any flaws in your stance?

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Yes. Every system has flaws.
But i see that sometimes not the right choice will be made.

Which one specific aspect of the other political identities do you abhor?

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How conservatives believe that they somehow know everything the founding fathers wanted and believe that this document called the constitution was somehow the greatest thing ever written even tho it has been amended 26 times.

Thank you.

Are you a liberal or conservative, etc?

I would have to say 'Other'

Why?

Because choosing a mode of thinking sounds like rigid thinking. The best way to be to any situation is open-minded and willing to try what is needed based on the situation at hand.

What makes your stance better than others?

Having a stance is like having a shape and trying to fit it into a problem who shape shifts constantly. Better to be flexible and receptive.

Do you perceive any flaws in your stance?

I know there are, but I haven't thought of any...

Which one specific aspect of the other political identities do you abhor?

The inability to truly accommodate another opinion or thought. People come to the table ready to defend their idea and it is a struggle to actually consider the idea of another without an 'under siege' mentality