View Poll Results: Rate the level of interference Democracy has in Americans ability to solve problems:

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    12 29.27%
  • two

    2 4.88%
  • three

    2 4.88%
  • four

    2 4.88%
  • five

    2 4.88%
  • six

    2 4.88%
  • seven

    3 7.32%
  • eight

    1 2.44%
  • nine

    1 2.44%
  • ten (Total Interference)

    14 34.15%
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Thread: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

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    Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    American is in a lot of trouble economically right now and Democracy may actually be the barrier to getting things back on track.

    Based upon how you see America's situation, on scale from 1 to 10, how would you rate Democracy being an interference with America's ability to get back on track, where 1 means Democracy has absolutely no interference with solving the problems, 10 means it interferes absolutely with problem solving.
    Last edited by empireofreason; 05-23-11 at 11:18 AM.

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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    I don't see democracy as the problem at all. I see the combination of these three things, rational ignorance, rational irrationality and the ability of artificial persons to lobby our govt, as the problem. It's not so much democracy as it is the system by which we implement it.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    I think the only issue is a lack of term limits. The possibility of life-time membership in a control center for the entire country means that politicians spend as much time campaigning as actually working. Limit them to two terms or one term or whatever and maybe they'll do a bit more working during their time in office.
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Democracy isn't the problem.

    Refusal to demand that elected officials obey the Constitution and the ignorance of the electorate about the Constituitons are the two key problems.

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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I don't see democracy as the problem at all. I see the combination of these three things, rational ignorance, rational irrationality and the ability of artificial persons to lobby our govt, as the problem. It's not so much democracy as it is the system by which we implement it.
    How much influence should an ignorant person have? Do you think giving experts more power in decision making would would help with the problem of rational ignorance and rational irrationality? For example, under the present voting system, a voter who has no proven intelligence in given area has the same influence with their vote as one who is studied the issue for years. Also, would the same approach help electorates Mayor Snorkum?

    It sounds like you are saying that lobbying may has too much potential influence available to them. Would it effective to limit the influence of lobbyists interests relative to the interests of the nation? For example, some legislation is merely moral preference. Why should one person dictate the morals of another, where those actions are moral in nature only and the disagreed upon behavior causes no significant financial impact upon the nation, but criminalizing them does have a negative financial impact in comparison.

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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I think the only issue is a lack of term limits. The possibility of life-time membership in a control center for the entire country means that politicians spend as much time campaigning as actually working. Limit them to two terms or one term or whatever and maybe they'll do a bit more working during their time in office.
    Many problems our nation faces could span more than one term to fix and may need a specific candidate that could provide that specialty. I am not an expert, possibly most issues can be fixed in one term. Not sure. But, if Democracy is not the problem and terms limits is, then wouldn't it make more sense for the most popular stands on issues determine the politician's job vs. the politician having too much freedom over America's agenda. Perhaps, campaigning would be unnecessary if the people's agenda was clear. Perhaps we could have two elections, one to set the major issues on the agenda and their relative priority, then pick the candidate who convinces us they will handle that job.
    Last edited by empireofreason; 05-23-11 at 06:13 PM.

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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    I'm not really sure if Democracy is the problem. I do think however there is a small bit of truth to this quote:

    A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over lousy fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.

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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by empireofreason View Post
    Many problems our nation faces could span more than one term to fix and may need a specific candidate that could provide that specialty. I am not an expert, possibly most issues can be fixed in one term. Not sure. But, if Democracy is not the problem and terms limits is, then wouldn't it make more sense for the most popular stands on issues determine the politician's job vs. the politician having too much freedom over America's agenda. Perhaps, campaigning would be unnecessary if the people's agenda was clear. Perhaps we could have two elections, one to set the major issues on the agenda and their relative priority, then pick the candidate who convinces us they will handle that job.
    Two elections might be better than just electing people. It's partly the fault of the people, and in that sense it's almost like protecting them from themselves. We'll keep voting the same guy into office even when he votes against our interests, simply because of the "R" or "D" next to his name (FYI, I use "we" in the general sense). The other problem I have is this acceptance we've developed for political timelines. In the last week I've seen a variation of the statement, "They won't do anything on that until after the 2012 election" at least 20 times. And most of the time it regards a significant, time-sensitive issue that has been put off time and time again.

    Perhaps people will perform their duty with integrity if they know they won't be coming back next session regardless of their actions. Of course, they're equally as likely to go hog-wild abusing their authority because they won't be answering to the people, but hell...there's got to be a better way. I don't want a President who goes on compaign and fundraiser trips in March of 2011 when we still don't have a fiscal year budget or a spending plan to reduce our deficit/debt (not targeting Obama alone, I know most politicians do it..he's just an easy example). But the current nature of politics encourages our representatives to walk away from the table in order to go sell themselves. Hell, remember the big deal with McCain "suspending his campaign" to go back to DC during the TARP debate? His and Obama's #1 job should have been in DC at that time, but instead they're stumping. Announcing that they planned to return and do their jobs was kind of a slap in the face.
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm not really sure if Democracy is the problem. I do think however there is a small bit of truth to this quote:
    Sad but true.. Definately sad but true..

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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm not really sure if Democracy is the problem. I do think however there is a small bit of truth to this quote:
    Is the 'bit of truth' that the natural progression of a Democracy end days arrive with 'lousy fiscal policy', and a dictatorship is imminent. If so, would you say the dictatorship is neccessary for survival or is it just a horrible result where success is just a roll of the dice from that point?

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