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Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

Rate the level of interference Democracy has in Americans ability to solve problems:

  • one (no interference)

    Votes: 12 42.9%
  • two

    Votes: 2 7.1%
  • three

    Votes: 1 3.6%
  • four

    Votes: 2 7.1%
  • five

    Votes: 2 7.1%
  • six

    Votes: 2 7.1%
  • seven

    Votes: 2 7.1%
  • eight

    Votes: 1 3.6%
  • nine

    Votes: 1 3.6%
  • ten (Total Interference)

    Votes: 3 10.7%

  • Total voters
    28
Because you ignore that society has evolved to place rules on some things that are not regulated in nature.

But I'm saying this is neither regulated or evident in nature; what evidence do you have that humanity works in the way that you hope for? Or do you just hope for it?

What i see is the same societal need to place regulations to control greed in business practices just as we have placed regulations on killing for something someone else has that you want. That was my point.

Why? Again, we've seen in nature and in humanity that as long as every entity is selfish, there exists a balance. Some will suffer and some will not, but those entities- assuming the system is fluid enough- will change in time. That's the best we can work for. Total freedom and total equality, of course, are mutually exclusive.
 
But I'm saying this is neither regulated or evident in nature; what evidence do you have that humanity works in the way that you hope for? Or do you just hope for it?

My point is that human societies have evolved to regulate some of the things that are unregulated in nature. The fact that we have should be obvious I would think.


Why? Again, we've seen in nature and in humanity that as long as every entity is selfish, there exists a balance. Some will suffer and some will not, but those entities- assuming the system is fluid enough- will change in time. That's the best we can work for. Total freedom and total equality, of course, are mutually exclusive.

I see, you think human societies should regress back to that of other animal societies in nature, is that it?
 
And some, much larger things, they haven't evolved past.

I, too, think the world would be better if everyone just loved each other. I don't think that's a valid way to base my vehicle security, however, let alone national security.

I mean, do you think absolute equality and absolute freedom can mutually exist? If not, I guess it's just a matter of evolution?
 
And some, much larger things, they haven't evolved past.

I, too, think the world would be better if everyone just loved each other. I don't think that's a valid way to base my vehicle security, however, let alone national security.

I would agree because that isn't what I said at all.

I mean, do you think absolute equality and absolute freedom can mutually exist? If not, I guess it's just a matter of evolution?

I have never had such an expectation. My point was the greedy practices in our society need more regulation to diminish the destructive effects to our country.

Let's not forget, our societal rules are all that separate us from other animals.
 
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But they don't separate us that much.

What you want is a pipe dream. And if just one person/group/organization doesn't act as you want/expect them to, everyone else needs to be wary and work out of self-interest and greed in order to protect themselves.
 
But they don't separate us that much.

You live in the wild do you?

What you want is a pipe dream.

Regulating the greed that caused the wall street credit default swaps may be a pipe dream to you, not to me. As a matter of fact we used to regulate that sort of thing ever since the Great Depression until Phil Gramm pushed through deregulation in the 90's.
 
Is the real world wild? I believe so.

Regulation is just another form of greed. So what's the issue? People are greedy for a secure and stable socio-economic structure and decide to form a structure towards that end. Greed isn't the problem; it's natural.

You've defined greed as something bad and then say it's bad. Of course you're "right" in that regard. But greed isn't necessarily the evil you think it is.
 
Is the real world wild? I believe so.

Regulation is just another form of greed. So what's the issue? People are greedy for a secure and stable socio-economic structure and decide to form a structure towards that end. Greed isn't the problem; it's natural.

You've defined greed as something bad and then say it's bad. Of course you're "right" in that regard. But greed isn't necessarily the evil you think it is.

Regulation is just another thing that separates us from other animals.
 
Animals self-regulate all the time. But now we've strayed far from the point: greed is natural.

So is killing another animal to eat them. Our society has evolved beyond that for the most part. Do you really support a lawless society as found in nature with other animals?
 
Our society hasn't moved past killing animals to eat them. You know the meat section at the grocery store is filled with dead animal parts, right? They didn't die from natural causes.
 
So is killing another animal to eat them. Our society has evolved beyond that for the most part. Do you really support a lawless society as found in nature with other animals?

We no longer kill other animals to eat them? Really? When did that happen?

Have the people who run the feedlot heard about this?
 
Our society hasn't moved past killing animals to eat them. You know the meat section at the grocery store is filled with dead animal parts, right? They didn't die from natural causes.

Of course, I meant we don't kill other humans for food. We have laws against that sort of thing.

And you didn't answer my question. Are you opposed to the societal laws that separate us from other animals?
 
There are no laws that separate us from animals. There's only a hierarchical system. Enforced by power. It's still just might makes right. I don't have a problem with it.
 
There are no laws that separate us from animals. There's only a hierarchical system. Enforced by power. It's still just might makes right. I don't have a problem with it.

How is it "might makes right" when the minority is protected by Constitutional guarantees and when we get to vote on who gets to make those laws?

It might have been might makes right at one time, but we have evolved past that point, at least in the Western democracies.
 
Because that minority is protected by someone. And that would be the apparatus of the state. Which has the power.
 
Because that minority is protected by someone. And that would be the apparatus of the state. Which has the power.

In the western democracies, it only has the power that the people are willing to give it, and what is not prohibited by the Constitutions of those democracies.
 
There are no laws that separate us from animals. There's only a hierarchical system. Enforced by power. It's still just might makes right. I don't have a problem with it.

Please link me to your documentation that animals have been known to meet on a regular basis and negotiate the rules they will govern themselves by. Thanks!
 
What is Democracy?

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In the western democracies, it only has the power that the people are willing to give it, and what is not prohibited by the Constitutions of those democracies.

To paraphrase Stalin, how many divisions does the Constitution have? Can the Constitution tell them what to do?

Please link me to your documentation that animals have been known to meet on a regular basis and negotiate the rules they will govern themselves by. Thanks!

Wait, you think there are animals that don't have hierarchies? Do you know what a pack is?
 
Your question had nothing to do with my point, so I thought it was fitting. Humans have created hierarchical structures, so have animals. Just because they don't hold board meetings and he don't communicate by scent doesn't mean the two aren't similar.

You can continue to think humans have advanced past greed. That's simply wrong, that's all.
 
Can't answer this until you tell us your definition of Democracy...

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It ain't so much the things we know that cause all the troubles. It's the things we do know that ain't so. Artimus Ward
 
dittohead said:
In the western democracies, it only has the power that the people are willing to give it, and what is not prohibited by the Constitutions of those democracies.
Or, in the case of the US, the democracy has only the power explicitly granted in the constitution. There is a difference. The constitution limits government. It lists what can be done, not what can't be done. A minor detail that I think is rather important.
 
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