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    12 29.27%
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    2 4.88%
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    2 4.88%
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    2 4.88%
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    3 7.32%
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    14 34.15%
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Thread: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The problem with compromise on spending cuts is that the two parties so far have wanted to compromise on 0.1% cut vs 0.2% cut. No one is willing to talk about real cuts.
    well that's not true - for political better or worse, the House Republicans have voted (with four notable exceptions) for cuts enough to qualify as "real". I agree, there is more we could get rid of, but it's a real enough option that they have put out there that Democrats are overjoyed with the possibility of seizing it for purposes of political demagoguery.


    as for Democracy, I'm reminded of my Churchill: It is the worst form of government...

    ...except for all the others.

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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well that's not true - for political better or worse, the House Republicans have voted (with four notable exceptions) for cuts enough to qualify as "real". I agree, there is more we could get rid of, but it's a real enough option that they have put out there that Democrats are overjoyed with the possibility of seizing it for purposes of political demagoguery.


    as for Democracy, I'm reminded of my Churchill: It is the worst form of government...

    ...except for all the others.
    Churchill was right.

    but the government is not likely to make any meaningful cuts, nor raise taxes. Doing so just isn't popular.
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Churchill was right.

    but the government is not likely to make any meaningful cuts, nor raise taxes. Doing so just isn't popular.
    What is popular is bringing home the bacon to your district. It is no surprise that people generally hate Congress but love their own Congressman. The US was meant to be a Republic, not a democracy. Democracy would allow for people to vote into law legislation that aggresses against the rights of others, which is exactly what we have today.
    "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free."
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    LOL

    Yes, bring socialism or communism in to solve the problems.

    Ask Europe how most of their countries are doing.
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    LOL

    Yes, bring socialism or communism in to solve the problems.

    Ask Europe how most of their countries are doing.
    ...or a Republic like the founders intended.
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Democracy is the best enabler for solutions to problems given all the other forms of government. On reason is that it is slow, it keeps us from steering too much. Intuitively obvious answers are very often incorrect in any endeavor. In business, where there are many vendors for any type of product, there are great rewards for moving as fast as a business can handle. For the general public, if one business screws up and fails we have the others that are still operating and making quick progress. In government we have sequential monopolies of various mixes. Mixes during transition times are slower to be able to take action giving the nonaligned governed time to understand what to do. If a democracy is allowed to screw up big and fast it is doomed, and would probably end up with a dictatorship of some sort. A republic with democratic ‘elections’ (e.g. the general then in congress) at multiple levels that progress over time, is the most robust at solving problems over time.

    I bet very few people now think that Medicare isn’t government run and funded by taxes. However, a year ago, I met two at a small Tea Baggers demonstration who were using Medicare, liked it very much, did not want it messed with or made into a government run program! I spent some time disabusing them of what they had been authoritatively informed prior to the demonstration. It takes a few years for the general public to become informed in sufficient detail to vote rationally.

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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Of course it is. It's also preventing the US from having some problems.
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They can, providing that the authoritarian is benevolent or wise in policy implementation.
    But that's really a comparison between 2 extremes, democracy and dictatorship are both extremes, of similar function.
    a benevolent and wise dictator, I like the sound of that...

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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by empireofreason View Post
    a benevolent and wise dictator, I like the sound of that...
    Should I leave my resume?
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    It takes a few years for the general public to become informed in sufficient detail to vote rationally.
    More year than there have been between 1776 and 2011, apparently.
    "Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud... [he's] playing the American public for suckers." Mitt Romney

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