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    12 29.27%
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    2 4.88%
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Thread: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    I disagree. There are many spanish speakers in the US who understand the issues.
    Then they can go back to Mexico and explain the issues down there.

    Here in the United States the citizens who belong here are supposed to speak English.

    [quote]If there are large language groups in the US, we should write the ballot in multiple languages. If you can't read either of them, I would agree.[quote]

    If they can't read english, why aren't they learning how? They came to this country expecting their hosts to change to accomodate them?

    No. They can get their sorry lazy asses out of town and back to where they came from. The Mayor's German ancestors learned English, the Mayor's Irish ancestors had to learn the language of their oppressors before they came here. The Mayor's french wife thinks it's bull**** that anyone living here should be so rude as to refuse to learn the native language. That's not hard to figure out. If they don't want to have the courtesy to learn to speak as Americans do, then they were never serious about becoming an American and they can move right on out.

    There are certain standards the nation must maintain if it's going to survive, and refusing to become a turd-world multilingual society is one of those things we must not allow.

    I'm sorry, but that is just irrational. Plenty of young people are very intelligent; maybe even more so than adults.
    They can demonstrate their devotion to the United States by enlisting in the Army, Marines, Navy, maybe even the Air Force, and when they get their honorable discharge after a minimum of three years service, they can cut five years off the wait and be allowed to vote at age 25.

    Anyone that believes an 18 year old boy has the maturity to understand pressing national issues should remark on the number of votes cast by 18 year olds for Obama and McCain in the last election.

    Ironically, your name flinging doesn't make me feel confident in your maturity. With age comes greater wisdom...unless you don't actually get wise. I don't like the collective approach of saying "you can't vote until you are this age."

    The Mayor never approved of the 26th Amendment, either.

    I think a much better solution would be to focus on the merits and eligibility of each individual, not some arbitrary collective group, or as you call it "those who just discovered sex." As a college student, I take offense to your remarks, which are very uncivil, full of ad hominem, and quite frankly disrespectful.
    Oh. Don't worry, the Mayor was a college student once. But he was a grown-up college student with six full years pushing a United States submarine around the world's oceans protecting his nation from foreign agressors. So when he was a college student, he was able to observe first hand just how stupid, thoughtless, and immature your typical college student is. Believe it or not, your average military enlistee is far more mature, because he doesn't get the opportunity to sleep in over those first period classes, and he's not allowed to fail his courses, unless he wants to get assigned to tin can out of Norfolk, Virgina.

    So, college man, the Mayor's been there, done that, and doesn't have any sympathy for young people wanting to play grown up, not when they have enough massed power to grab the steering wheel and drive the car off the cliff.

    Churchill said it best, too paraphrase "when people are young and idealistic, they're socialists. When they grow up, they're capitalists." It's past time we stopped allowing the children to vote, not when damn few of them even begin to understand the Constitution.

    As for your other points, I don't have much problem with them. My only other comment is that literacy requirements were racist when they were instituted because their primary goal was to prevent black people from voting.
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    The Mayor won't argue with you on this unless you want to claim that all literacy requirements must be inherently racist.

    The Mayor contends that a literacy rate of less than 100% is a national embarassment (excepting, of course, those physically incapable of learning to read). There' s no excuse, and teachers who can't teach their students to read should look into spending more time on the beach.

    Looking for discarded bottles and loose change.

    but rather than dismiss people as ****ing idiots (who at least know their history) you should tell them how times have change or why your ideas are not guided by the same evil motivations. Please be civil. Thank you.
    Not necessary. Times have changed and anyone who's too lazy or too stupid to learn how to read in this day and age cannot hide behind alleged bigotry. They're just idiots.

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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Let's make this plain:

    When the Mayor says a voter MUST speak english, the Mayor is not insisting anyone's command of the language be equal to his own. No. If an applicant has mastered enlish no better than some of his hindu professors in college, that would be acceptable.

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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by empireofreason View Post
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    Skimming incomes with taxes I think is better than selling out to ideas that will create third world neighborhoods. If cuts are to help, I think they must be accompanied with a guarantee of basic housing, food and medical support. We will have lowered that person's consumption and at the same time maintained their dignity. This lowered consumption can be applied to the debt.

    I can understand downsizing government to improve it's efficiency. Those downsized will still have the option of challenging others for the existing jobs that pay better, but still have a guaranteed safety net that doesn't have an expiration date. Those in such a situation should have the willingness to work if asked when they have not found work on their own. We should all jump at the opportunity to pay our fair share, if we have had no luck in finding work on our own. Some of us just need a good leader to get us going. That's all.

    I think we should tax some big business too and only give them a break after the tax for downsizing in a similar manner to encourage an increase in productivity. Tax the general public across the board too. Why? No one will stop spending, so we're going to have to slow over-consumption down one way or another, but every American should make it through this with dignity while the debt is paid off.

    So.... you want to raise taxes on business (most of that tax would be passed onto consumers via higher prices, as always) and force them to downsize MORE than they already have... which means MORE people lose their jobs and go on the dole? This will help the economy and the government's debt... how?





    End debtors prison, instead criminalize the existing Shylock methods.
    Didn't know we had debtors prisons. Do we have children's workhouses too?




    We should drive less, it's probably the biggest energy sucker we have, if we look at it in Joules, not in relativistic market value. With those autos we weight four thousand pounds heavier than any of our ancestors. Lot of excess ass we are dragging around now. These mechanical beasts consume a lot of energy too, eats up the farm, eats us out of house and home. We should position ourselves better to ride mass transit, walk or ride bikes. We would be more fit, it will help personal budgets, help the planet, our national debt and economy in general. That can be encouraged with a gas tax that increases with consumption and decreases with lessened consumption. A bigger tax break for proving a significant reduction in consumption could be offered, but some of that savings should go directly toward the debt, not just back to the tax payer.
    A lot of that would take authoritarian measures unsuited to our current government.

    I'm not sure you've thought through the full implications of some of your suggestions.
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    As long as the dictator can run the country well and keep the people happy or fearful it'll work.

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    No, representative democracy is still democracy.
    I agree.
    What I'm saying is that both forms, dictatorship and democracy, operate on a very similar premise.
    Might makes right, the are both representations of this.
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Then they can go back to Mexico and explain the issues down there.

    Here in the United States the citizens who belong here are supposed to speak English.
    Actually, that is not true. Nothing in the constitution requires citizens to speak English. English has just grown to be the primary language.

    If they can't read english, why aren't they learning how? They came to this country expecting their hosts to change to accomodate them?
    Maybe they are learning how. I think they would be fools if they didn't. But preventing their votes makes it easier for the rise of tyranny of the majority.

    No. They can get their sorry lazy asses out of town and back to where they came from. The Mayor's German ancestors learned English, the Mayor's Irish ancestors had to learn the language of their oppressors before they came here. The Mayor's french wife thinks it's bull**** that anyone living here should be so rude as to refuse to learn the native language. That's not hard to figure out. If they don't want to have the courtesy to learn to speak as Americans do, then they were never serious about becoming an American and they can move right on out.
    And my Hungarian grandparents learned English. Apparently you have not, because you keep speaking in third person. Maybe you should be prevented from voting. Furthermore, you are assuming that they never have any intention to learn English. I don't think that is the case. Most primary spanish speaking americans are brand new immigrants still learning or elderly immigrants who simply have difficulty mastered a new language at an old age.

    There are certain standards the nation must maintain if it's going to survive, and refusing to become a turd-world multilingual society is one of those things we must not allow.
    Yes, allowing spanish speakers to vote will turn us into a third world country.

    They can demonstrate their devotion to the United States by enlisting in the Army, Marines, Navy, maybe even the Air Force, and when they get their honorable discharge after a minimum of three years service, they can cut five years off the wait and be allowed to vote at age 25.
    So being in the army for 3 years means they know more about economic issues and everything else? And you dodged my initial point about individualism. There are plenty of younger people who are just as mature as any adult.

    Anyone that believes an 18 year old boy has the maturity to understand pressing national issues should remark on the number of votes cast by 18 year olds for Obama and McCain in the last election.
    And would you like to tell me how many 30+ votes were cast for those 2 candidates? Maybe nobody should vote with that logic.

    So, college man, the Mayor's been there, done that, and doesn't have any sympathy for young people wanting to play grown up, not when they have enough massed power to grab the steering wheel and drive the car off the cliff.
    Your entire argument is emotional and ad hominem. You say that you saw many immature kids...great, so have I. But I have also seen plenty immature adults. A woman of at least 50 years was cursing out her kids, screaming, and making a complete fool or herself in a public place. What about her? If you want to test maturity, test each individual. It is nonsensical to group people into an age group and give their maturity a blanket definition.

    It's past time we stopped allowing the children to vote, not when damn few of them even begin to understand the Constitution.
    So you would ban those young people who understand the constitution from voting?

    Considering you keep speaking in third person, and your arguments are primarily personal attacks, I don't see the point in wasting my time with you.
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Not Democracy, but Democrats are the biggest disturbing factor in America!
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    We aren't suffering from an excess of democracy, presently, in the United States, quite the contrary, we're suffering from a deficit.
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85 View Post
    We aren't suffering from an excess of democracy, presently, in the United States, quite the contrary, we're suffering from a deficit.
    Ecellent point! One indicator of that is the percentage of citizens that vote for the nation's leader:


    http://thesocietypages.org/socimages...nder-politics/


    And of course the percentages are even lower for mid-term elections. Its pitiful!
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons View Post
    Not Democracy, but Democrats are the biggest disturbing factor in America!
    That and rabid partisanship.
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Then they can go back to Mexico and explain the issues down there.

    Here in the United States the citizens who belong here are supposed to speak English.
    From the citizenship requirements:

    The US citizenship requirements mandate that you take an English test that shows that you can read, write and speak English.
    That sounds pretty plain to me, and it is in English.
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