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Thread: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Democracy is a problem. This nation was never meant to be a pure democracy; it was meant to be a republic. That means that not everything is based on the rule of the majority, as it basically is today. Democracy encourages the formation of interest groups that push for government to give them special unconstitutional benefits. The majority gets something, the majority say ok, and the majority disregard the constitution. Of course, democratic elements must exist, but progressives have created a mess out of too much democracy. Just look at California.
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So you have no serious alternative to our representative government...............who would have guessed?
    Well hell, I thought you would be happy with those slightly smarter that the average USA voter. If you're looking for much smarter than the average USA voter, maybe you should go with the citizens of sandiegozoo.

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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by empireofreason View Post
    How much influence should an ignorant person have? Do you think giving experts more power in decision making would would help with the problem of rational ignorance and rational irrationality? For example, under the present voting system, a voter who has no proven intelligence in given area has the same influence with their vote as one who is studied the issue for years. Also, would the same approach help electorates Mayor Snorkum?

    It sounds like you are saying that lobbying may has too much potential influence available to them. Would it effective to limit the influence of lobbyists interests relative to the interests of the nation? For example, some legislation is merely moral preference. Why should one person dictate the morals of another, where those actions are moral in nature only and the disagreed upon behavior causes no significant financial impact upon the nation, but criminalizing them does have a negative financial impact in comparison.
    The correct path to repair the electorate is the following:

    1) If you can't read English, you can't vote in an election in the United States. Anywhere in the United States. No exceptions.

    2) If you can't produce to the poll monitors a valid photo ID who's issuance is dependent upon providing verified proof of citizenship to the issuing authority, you can't vote. All pollls must be required to check for this ID.

    3) If you can't get to the polling place on the ONE DAYof the year elections are held, and you're not a member of either the United States military or posted as a federal civil servant to a permanent overseas position, and you're not a bed ridden but mentally competent patient in a licensed nursing facilty, you're not going to be voting.

    4) If you can't be bothered to register to vote on your own time and of your own volition, don't expect public employees tasked to do other jobs to fill your forms out for you. Lazy voters are bad voters.

    5) "Damn boy, if you ain't earning the money that's being collected in taxes, why the hell do you think you've got any right to a say in how it's spent?"

    6) Young? Stupid? Just discovered sex and your girl friend wants whirled peas? Then go get laid, you're too damn immature to vote. Get your diploma, get a real job, and see us when you're thirty. Maybe you'll be mature enough to cast an intelligent vote by then. You'll be old enough that you should be embarassed by voting your gonads by that age, anyway.

    7) Don't like purple ink on your thumb? Then don't vote, because voter fraud should be a felony carrying a ten year no-exceptions term in a federal pound you in the ass prison, and inking the thumb is a proven method of preventing repeat voting.

    8) Want to vote your Congressman a fourth term? Your Senator a second? Tough ****, if the voters are too stupid to throw the bums out, the Constitution has to change to lock them out, instead. Also, under no circumstance should any law ever be allowed by the Constitution that grants the Congressman or his family exemption from the laws he passes, nor should he ever receive a pension for his time in office. He can participate in a 401(k) plan like everyone else.


    THATS how you fix the problems this nation has with the ****ing idiots voting themselves other people's money. Don't waste time giving the Mayor any happy horse**** about how "literacy" requirements are "racist". Being too stupid or too lazy to learn how to read, or simply being a victim of the teachers' unions, isn't race related.

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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    The USA citizens just don't seem to be very good at picking leaders.

    Based on recent history, wouldn't the USA be better off with a monkey and a dartboard?

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    That's what we have right now.

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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Dictatorship may not always be the end result.
    Places like Argentina who have had failed state problems, still have a democratic form of government.

    It's just incredibly crony (aka, corrupt) in nature.
    You mean like Nancy Pelosi's single congressional district getting 20% of the waivers for a health care law for which no waivers whatsoever should be issued?

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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    The correct path to repair the electorate is the following:

    1) If you can't read English, you can't vote in an election in the United States. Anywhere in the United States. No exceptions.
    I disagree. There are many spanish speakers in the US who understand the issues. If there are large language groups in the US, we should write the ballot in multiple languages. If you can't read either of them, I would agree.

    Young? Stupid? Just discovered sex and your girl friend wants whirled peas? Then go get laid, you're too damn immature to vote. Get your diploma, get a real job, and see us when you're thirty. Maybe you'll be mature enough to cast an intelligent vote by then. You'll be old enough that you should be embarassed by voting your gonads by that age, anyway.
    I'm sorry, but that is just irrational. Plenty of young people are very intelligent; maybe even more so than adults. Ironically, your name flinging doesn't make me feel confident in your maturity. With age comes greater wisdom...unless you don't actually get wise. I don't like the collective approach of saying "you can't vote until you are this age." I think a much better solution would be to focus on the merits and eligibility of each individual, not some arbitrary collective group, or as you call it "those who just discovered sex." As a college student, I take offense to your remarks, which are very uncivil, full of ad hominem, and quite frankly disrespectful.

    As for your other points, I don't have much problem with them. My only other comment is that literacy requirements were racist when they were instituted because their primary goal was to prevent black people from voting. Blacks often got different tests, not to mention that they were barred from education. That is not the case today, but rather than dismiss people as ****ing idiots (who at least know their history) you should tell them how times have change or why your ideas are not guided by the same evil motivations. Please be civil. Thank you.
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Absolutely, dictatorships always work better.
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Absolutely, dictatorships always work better.
    They can, providing that the authoritarian is benevolent or wise in policy implementation.
    But that's really a comparison between 2 extremes, democracy and dictatorship are both extremes, of similar function.
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by empireofreason View Post
    If we cut spending, 'pet projects', how will those people survive if they don't have a job?
    Not the Mayor's problem. They get to do what every other AMERICAN has to do when they get canned. They find a new job. They cut back. They lose their house, their car, their six TV's. Who cares? They're doing a job that shouldn't be paid for by taxpayers. That means when the country is facing economic crisis, they get to be patriotic and their lives, their fortunes, or their sacred honor (hahahahaha) for their country.

    That's why they're working for the government, right, to do good for country?


    Hmmm?

    What if the pet project is like you said, a 'government check' that would stop them from landing in the streets.
    Then we the taxpayers much MUCH prefer to cut the hammock strings than chop down the tree.

    It makes no sense to drive our people into squalor,
    You're absolutely right. It makes no sense to drive the working and productive people of this nation into squalor to keep shipping money to the hammock dwellers.

    Oh.

    Who were you talking about? The Mayor is concerned with the people who make this country work, not with the people dragging it down.

    which will result into crime, drug addiction, mental illness and likely if not turned around quick enough could metastasize into a troublesome and even radical sub-culture haunting our children years far into the future.
    No.

    Haunting THEIR children.

    The children of the taxpayers will be better prepared for the future if their parents' paychecks are relieved from the unasked duty of supporting freeloaders.

    I find that unpractical and lazy and unbefitting of a real leader who should be leading us away from such ideas while maintaining sustainability.
    Cutting the dead weight is the first step towards getting the balloon to go up, lad.

    Skimming incomes with taxes I think is better than selling out to ideas that will create third world neighborhoods.
    You mean stealing more. There's not enough money to do the task, nor is it moral to make the productive people support freeloaders forever.

    If cuts are to help, I think they must be accompanied with a guarantee of basic housing, food and medical support.
    Fine.

    Government issued FOOD, not food stamps or any other cash equivalent.

    The food will be served in cafeterias, not distributed for home-cooking.

    The food will be served to people with valid ration cards, held by people who pass a monthly drug screening.

    Government housing will be government housing, not housing mixed in with the productive people. Yes, the Mayor can say "projects", and too damn bad for that. If people don't like them, they should work really really hard to get out of them, if they want to insist on being on the dole, they're not going to do so in comfort. The State DMV will be cross checked periodically to see if any resident of government housing owns a car younger than 8 years old. If so, the vehicle is confiscated and sold at auction to defray the costs of the owner's stay in government housing.

    No cable TV in government housing. Internet is available at public libraries. No drugs in govenrment housing. No juveniles playing hookey or gang member in government housing. There's this place called "reform school", ideal for the budding young thug who dislikes learning things of a practical nature. No prositution, no crime of any sort.

    Getting the picture? WE STOP TREATING OUR MENDICANTS AS OUR EQUALS. 'Cuz they're not.

    Which isn't to say we violate the Fourteenth Amendment. All people insisting on getting government housing should be treated the same way.

    And, to put everything in persespective, every resident of government housing MUST participate in Obamacare.

    We will have lowered that person's consumption and at the same time maintained their dignity.
    DIGNITY is a luxury people who can afford to feed their own families can afford. If someone is begging strangers for alms, they can damn well shove their dignity up their ass.

    I can understand downsizing government to improve it's efficiency.
    Do you understand the concept of downsizing government to get it back inside it's Constitutional limits? (Hint: That means no handouts.)

    Those downsized will still have the option of challenging others for the existing jobs that pay better, but still have a guaranteed safety net that doesn't have an expiration date.
    As that Mayor said, make government housing the basement. That's the "safety net".

    Those in such a situation should have the willingness to work if asked when they have not found work on their own. We should all jump at the opportunity to pay our fair share,
    The Mayor and millions and millions of Americans are anxiously waiting the time when they'll be paying their fair share.

    Right now they're paying their fair share, and someone else's, too.

    I think we should tax some big business too and only give them a break after the tax for downsizing in a similar manner to encourage an increase in productivity.
    Absolutely....of course, there's no such thing as a tax on business. All businesses subject to tax do nothing more than fold the tax into the sale price of their product and expense the tax itself as part of the cost of doing business before computing the year's income. After all, income is defined as the difference between revenues and expenses.....didn't the Mayor just state that taxes are expensed? How convenient for the businesses. Their customers are paying their taxes for them.

    We should drive less, it's probably the biggest energy sucker we have, if we look at it in Joules, not in relativistic market value. With those autos we weight four thousand pounds heavier than any of our ancestors. Lot of excess ass we are dragging around now. These mechanical beasts consume a lot of energy too, eats up the farm, eats us out of house and home. We should position ourselves better to ride mass transit, walk or ride bikes.
    Your choice. Don't even think about enforcing that on the Mayor. His relationship with his two ton 10mpg van is more than decade long and won't be ending any time soon.

    That can be encouraged with a gas tax that increases with consumption and decreases with lessened consumption.
    You see anything in the Constitution allowing the Congress to tax people to alter behavior? No? That's because it's not there. Because that kind of power leads to the abuses that have brought this country to the fiscal straits its in.

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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They can, providing that the authoritarian is benevolent or wise in policy implementation.
    As long as the dictator can run the country well and keep the people happy or fearful it'll work.

    But that's really a comparison between 2 extremes, democracy and dictatorship are both extremes, of similar function.
    No, representative democracy is still democracy.
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