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    12 29.27%
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    2 4.88%
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    2 4.88%
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    2 4.88%
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    2 4.88%
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    3 7.32%
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    1 2.44%
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    14 34.15%
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Thread: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Because you ignore that society has evolved to place rules on some things that are not regulated in nature.
    But I'm saying this is neither regulated or evident in nature; what evidence do you have that humanity works in the way that you hope for? Or do you just hope for it?

    What i see is the same societal need to place regulations to control greed in business practices just as we have placed regulations on killing for something someone else has that you want. That was my point.
    Why? Again, we've seen in nature and in humanity that as long as every entity is selfish, there exists a balance. Some will suffer and some will not, but those entities- assuming the system is fluid enough- will change in time. That's the best we can work for. Total freedom and total equality, of course, are mutually exclusive.
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nanten Janubi View Post
    But I'm saying this is neither regulated or evident in nature; what evidence do you have that humanity works in the way that you hope for? Or do you just hope for it?
    My point is that human societies have evolved to regulate some of the things that are unregulated in nature. The fact that we have should be obvious I would think.


    Why? Again, we've seen in nature and in humanity that as long as every entity is selfish, there exists a balance. Some will suffer and some will not, but those entities- assuming the system is fluid enough- will change in time. That's the best we can work for. Total freedom and total equality, of course, are mutually exclusive.
    I see, you think human societies should regress back to that of other animal societies in nature, is that it?
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    And some, much larger things, they haven't evolved past.

    I, too, think the world would be better if everyone just loved each other. I don't think that's a valid way to base my vehicle security, however, let alone national security.

    I mean, do you think absolute equality and absolute freedom can mutually exist? If not, I guess it's just a matter of evolution?
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nanten Janubi View Post
    And some, much larger things, they haven't evolved past.

    I, too, think the world would be better if everyone just loved each other. I don't think that's a valid way to base my vehicle security, however, let alone national security.
    I would agree because that isn't what I said at all.

    I mean, do you think absolute equality and absolute freedom can mutually exist? If not, I guess it's just a matter of evolution?
    I have never had such an expectation. My point was the greedy practices in our society need more regulation to diminish the destructive effects to our country.

    Let's not forget, our societal rules are all that separate us from other animals.
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    But they don't separate us that much.

    What you want is a pipe dream. And if just one person/group/organization doesn't act as you want/expect them to, everyone else needs to be wary and work out of self-interest and greed in order to protect themselves.
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nanten Janubi View Post
    But they don't separate us that much.
    You live in the wild do you?

    What you want is a pipe dream.
    Regulating the greed that caused the wall street credit default swaps may be a pipe dream to you, not to me. As a matter of fact we used to regulate that sort of thing ever since the Great Depression until Phil Gramm pushed through deregulation in the 90's.
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Is the real world wild? I believe so.

    Regulation is just another form of greed. So what's the issue? People are greedy for a secure and stable socio-economic structure and decide to form a structure towards that end. Greed isn't the problem; it's natural.

    You've defined greed as something bad and then say it's bad. Of course you're "right" in that regard. But greed isn't necessarily the evil you think it is.
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nanten Janubi View Post
    Is the real world wild? I believe so.

    Regulation is just another form of greed. So what's the issue? People are greedy for a secure and stable socio-economic structure and decide to form a structure towards that end. Greed isn't the problem; it's natural.

    You've defined greed as something bad and then say it's bad. Of course you're "right" in that regard. But greed isn't necessarily the evil you think it is.
    Regulation is just another thing that separates us from other animals.
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Animals self-regulate all the time. But now we've strayed far from the point: greed is natural.
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nanten Janubi View Post
    Animals self-regulate all the time. But now we've strayed far from the point: greed is natural.
    So is killing another animal to eat them. Our society has evolved beyond that for the most part. Do you really support a lawless society as found in nature with other animals?
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