View Poll Results: Rate the level of interference Democracy has in Americans ability to solve problems:

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    12 29.27%
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    2 4.88%
  • three

    2 4.88%
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    2 4.88%
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    2 4.88%
  • six

    2 4.88%
  • seven

    3 7.32%
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    1 2.44%
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    1 2.44%
  • ten (Total Interference)

    14 34.15%
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Thread: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nanten Janubi View Post
    I'm sorry, but history and a simple flip through network news would indicate that humans haven't evolved past that point. I doubt they''ll ever evolve past it. No life has, as far as we can see.
    Social insects have evolved to the point where each individual will selflessly work to contribute to the whole. Human beings haven't, and probably never will.
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Actually, that is not true. Nothing in the constitution requires citizens to speak English. English has just grown to be the primary language.
    And it can be declared the official language without a Constitutional amendment... and it should be...


    Maybe they are learning how. I think they would be fools if they didn't. But preventing their votes makes it easier for the rise of tyranny of the majority.
    They should learn harder. If they can't read the ballot in English, then they need to keep taking their English classes before citizenship is conferred in the first place. You know, many countries require you to pass a language proficiency test before citizenship is granted...


    And my Hungarian grandparents learned English. Apparently you have not, because you keep speaking in third person. Maybe you should be prevented from voting. Furthermore, you are assuming that they never have any intention to learn English. I don't think that is the case. Most primary spanish speaking americans are brand new immigrants still learning or elderly immigrants who simply have difficulty mastered a new language at an old age.
    It is his personal style, not evidence he can't speak English. Perhaps he is preparing for a Model United Nations conference, or would you say MUN delegates can't use English either because they speak in the third person. This is a pretty lame comment.

    Yes, allowing spanish speakers to vote will turn us into a third world country.
    U.S. is already devolving into a third world country in some areas...


    So being in the army for 3 years means they know more about economic issues and everything else? And you dodged my initial point about individualism. There are plenty of younger people who are just as mature as any adult.
    Not necessarily, but it shows that they are loyal to the country...


    Considering you keep speaking in third person, and your arguments are primarily personal attacks, I don't see the point in wasting my time with you.
    An annoying personal style perhaps, but nothing wrong with it...
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    From the citizenship requirements:



    That sounds pretty plain to me, and it is in English.
    Problem solved... print all ballots in English and no other language...
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    A country needs a common language if it intends to remain a country. If people can't talk to each other readily, they tend to feel less connected.

    English has been the common language of the USA for centuries. Let it remain so. Learn English or go home.

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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Social insects have evolved to the point where each individual will selflessly work to contribute to the whole. Human beings haven't, and probably never will.
    Ha! Well, I meant life that has feelings like empathy or some such. Yes, insects have 'evolved past' that, I guess, but I'm not sure that's what Marxists have in mind when they think of that. Or maybe they do, I dunno. Either way, it either fails on the 'moral' scale that they hold so dear or fail on the 'empathetic' level that is so important to them: regardless, mankind is not there. Perhaps they represent that next jump in evolution (I'm sure they would insist that is so) so the whole world isn't there, so it's rather pointless until they are. Even Marx knew that.
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nanten Janubi View Post
    I'm sorry, but history and a simple flip through network news would indicate that humans haven't evolved past that point. I doubt they''ll ever evolve past it. No life has, as far as we can see.
    So it is your position that most societies have no laws against murder, rape, robbery and so forth?
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nanten Janubi View Post
    Ha! Well, I meant life that has feelings like empathy or some such. Yes, insects have 'evolved past' that, I guess, but I'm not sure that's what Marxists have in mind when they think of that. Or maybe they do, I dunno. Either way, it either fails on the 'moral' scale that they hold so dear or fail on the 'empathetic' level that is so important to them: regardless, mankind is not there. Perhaps they represent that next jump in evolution (I'm sure they would insist that is so) so the whole world isn't there, so it's rather pointless until they are. Even Marx knew that.
    I wonder if the human equivalent of an ant's nest isn't exactly what Marx had in mind. Think of it: The ants don't have laws and police, a worker ant never tries to take over the nest, every ant does just what it has been programmed to do. One would think that Marx would realize that humans don't work that way, yet his philosophy seems to posit them doing just that.
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Why? English is the working language of the United States and it should be the official language as well. What other countries print ballots in languages not regarded as official. Do you think I can go to the ballot box here and demand a ballot in English? I would be laughed out of the polling station.
    English is not the official language of the United States. Should does not mean is. First and foremost, the constitution does not give the federal government authority to establish an official language. Amending the constitution would be necessary to do so. I might even support it. But that is not the current case. The constitution requires that all adults 18 and older have the right to vote. If people cannot vote because they speak a different language than the ballot offers, they have absolutely every right to request the ballot in their own language. If you are laughed at for this, it is a shame, for that means tyranny of the majority rules. A constitutional republic is meant to prevent this. The states can determine if a ballot will be offered in English only, and the federal government may amend the constitution to allow for nationwide change if something works better. That is why we have a federal system. Government is supposed to be very limited.

    As for countries that offer voting in multiple languages, I made this list:
    Belgium
    Finland
    Ireland
    Israel
    Malta
    Norway
    Spain
    Sweden
    Bosnia
    Estonia
    Russia
    Canada
    USA
    Hong Kong
    India
    Sri Lanka
    East Timor
    Eritrea
    Namibia
    South Africa
    Zimbabwe
    New Zealand
    Papua New Guinea
    and the UK, the land were the English language originated.
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So it is your position that most societies have no laws against murder, rape, robbery and so forth?
    Did you think that was my position? More to the point, did you think my position precipitated that belief? Why?

    Obviously, it doesn't. But if you can't see that, there doesn't seem to be much point in arguing why the greed of many can result in a general consensus of executable policy.
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    Re: Is Democracy Blocking America's Ability To Solve It's Problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nanten Janubi View Post
    Did you think that was my position? More to the point, did you think my position precipitated that belief? Why?
    Because you ignore that society has evolved to place rules on some things that are not regulated in nature.

    Obviously, it doesn't. But if you can't see that, there doesn't seem to be much point in arguing why the greed of many can result in a general consensus of executable policy.
    What i see is the same societal need to place regulations to control greed in business practices just as we have placed regulations on killing for something someone else has that you want. That was my point.
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