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Muslims replacing Jews as Europe's scapegoat

Muslims replacing Jews as Europe's scapegoat?

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Muslims in Europe have replaced the continent’s Jews of yesteryear as the largest target of discrimination and prejudice, according to a prominent Swiss academic and Islamic expert.
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“There are new alliances in Europe against the Muslim presence, and people who were against Judaism are now against the Muslim presence in Europe,” Tariq Ramadan, an Oxford professor and grandson of Hasan al-Banna, the founder of Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood, said Friday at a seminar at Istanbul Bilgi University.

What do you think?

Muslims replacing Jews as Europe's scapegoat, says academic - Hurriyet Daily News and Economic Review
 
I'm going to be as careful as I can with this.

Because it is a touchy subject.

Do I think there's a growing anti-muslim organized sentiment in Europe? Absolutely. And I think it's something that needs to be addressed, how to address that issue I don't know.

On the flipside however, there are troubling developments that do come out of some muslim communities in Europe, I know there was an expose of sermons that were being preached in my dads old hometown in England... and they were quite troubling.

It has always been my belief that the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

I don't think there's an organized following within the general muslim community that wishes to destroy Europe or its values, but there are extremists who do, and hopefully they will be addressed.

But at the same time, it is cause for concern with the amount of hatred that could potentially be thrust upon what is largely an innocent community of people, that wished to move to a place for a better life, and be free to practise their religion.

There's a fine line between Hatred, discrimination and finally persecution, and those lines are not as far apart as you might think...

What we do today, effects tommorow, becareful the words you use, and the actions that you take, for concievably, the guilty ones won't be you, it will be your children.

That's the word, I stick to it.

Jetboogieman.
 
I reckon the gypsies have it worse, but they haven't replaced anyone, they've always been villified.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I'm going to be as careful as I can with this.

Because it is a touchy subject.

Do I think there's a growing anti-muslim organized sentiment in Europe? Absolutely. And I think it's something that needs to be addressed, how to address that issue I don't know.

On the flipside however, there are troubling developments that do come out of some muslim communities in Europe, I know there was an expose of sermons that were being preached in my dads old hometown in England... and they were quite troubling.

It has always been my belief that the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

I don't think there's an organized following within the general muslim community that wishes to destroy Europe or its values, but there are extremists who do, and hopefully they will be addressed.

But at the same time, it is cause for concern with the amount of hatred that could potentially be thrust upon what is largely an innocent community of people, that wished to move to a place for a better life, and be free to practise their religion.

There's a fine line between Hatred, discrimination and finally persecution, and those lines are not as far apart as you might think...

What we do today, effects tommorow, becareful the words you use, and the actions that you take, for concievably, the guilty ones won't be you, it will be your children.

That's the word, I stick to it.

Jetboogieman.
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There has to be a drive to destroy the ideology of anti-liberal democracy extremists. That means pro-activity on the parts of moderates, those who are enjoying the fruits of the sacrifices of their forefathers all over the world for those freedoms. For example, it shouldn't be the EDL counter protesting a mock Osama funeral in GB, it should be ordinary, decent Londoners.
 
Ahh, claiming THEY'RE the "new Jews of Europe" while themselves Persecuting the Old/Real Jews of Europe!

me said:
Yes, even while some try to call Muslims "the New Jews of Europe" (!!!), Muslims are still bashing the old (and still) Jews of Europe; Jews.
Jews leave Swedish city after sharp rise in anti-Semitic hate crimes - Telegraph

Sweden's reputation as a tolerant, liberal nation is being threatened by a steep rise in anti-Semitic hate crimes in the city of Malmo.
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me said:
"Muslim Antisemitism

"Then there is the more general Muslim contribution to antisemitism in Britain, which is growing all the time and has become a significant factor. The exploration of Muslim attitudes in the UK is still in its infancy.
Nevertheless, it appears that close to HALF of British Muslims believe in a Jewish Conspiracy that dominates UK media and politics.[4]
The percentage of Muslim perpetrators of violent antisemitic acts is nearly 10 times greater than the Muslim percentage of the general population....."

Institute for Global Jewish Affairs ? Global Antisemitism, Anti-Israelism, Jewish Studies
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This is going on throughout Europe and especially in places named above and ie, France. Jews are being attacked in the street, have armed guards at their schools, etc.

It's difficult to have any sympathy for the "New Jews of Europe" while they're are still attacking the Old/Real Jews of Europe.
But they may be right in that once they've chased out the remaining Jews of Europe they can claim they're the Jews..

Any many other differences between the two groups exist.
One is tolerant and liberal, Jews.. and one is Intolerant and conservative, Muslims.
ie,
http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...zero-tolerance-homosexuality-0-fer-500-a.html


Crime committed BY Muslim immigrants against their EU hosts would also be a large difference between the [cough] "new Jews of Europe" and the old/real ones.
http://www.danielpipes.org/450/something-rotten-in-denmark
Something Rotten in Denmark?
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*Living on the dole: Third-world immigrants - most of them Muslims from countries such as Turkey, Somalia, Pakistan, Lebanon and Iraq - constitute 5% of the population but consume upwards of 40% of the welfare spending.

*Engaging in crime: Muslims are only 4% of Denmark's 5.4 million people but make up a Majority of the country's convicted rapists, an especially combustible issue given that practically all the female victims are non-Muslim. Similar, if lesser, disproportions are found in other crimes.

*Self-imposed isolation: Over time, as Muslim immigrants increase in numbers, they wish less to mix with the indigenous population. A recent survey finds that only 5% of young Muslim immigrants would readily marry a Dane.

*Importing unacceptable customs: Forced marriages - promising a newborn daughter in Denmark to a male cousin in the home country, then compelling her to marry him, sometimes on pain of death - are one problem. Another is threats to kill Muslims who convert out of Islam. One Kurdish convert to Christianity, who went public to explain why she had changed religion, felt the need to hide her face and conceal her identity, fearing for her life.

*Fomenting anti-Semitism: Muslim violence threatens Denmark's approximately 6,000 Jews, who increasingly depend on police protection. Jewish parents were told by one school principal that she could not guarantee their children's safety and were advised to attend another institution. Anti-Israel marches have turned into anti-Jewish riots. One organization, Hizb-ut-Tahrir, openly calls on Muslims to "kill all Jews . . . wherever you find them."

*Seeking Islamic law: Muslim leaders openly declare their goal of introducing Islamic law once Denmark's Muslim population grows large enough - a not-that-remote prospect. If present trends persist, one sociologist estimates, every third inhabitant of Denmark in 40 years will be Muslim.
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Yes, Muslims Invoke "Jews" even while beating them on the head.
 
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Ben K. said:
There has to be a drive to destroy the ideology of anti-liberal democracy extremists. That means pro-activity on the parts of moderates, those who are enjoying the fruits of the sacrifices of their forefathers all over the world for those freedoms. For example, it shouldn't be the EDL counter protesting a mock Osama funeral in GB, it should be ordinary, decent Londoners.
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What's wrong with a mock Osama funeral?
 
Im certainly not an intellectual and Im not a very highly educated individual but I cant see why anyone cant understand why europe is getting fed up with muslim intolerance and demands there. Everyone jumps on the intolerance for muslims how about the intolerance of muslims for everyone else. Seems to me that feeling is quite alive and pervasive in the muslim communities around the world. When its in your backyard it can become intolerable and have people <europeans> Wondering what they hell are we allowing here. Some people believe that muslims have made their own bed by not attacking the vile evil murderous element amongst them, that is quite prevalent around the world. The so called non extremist muslims...feed the extremists money to continue their reign of murder <iran, saudi arabia, syria> How can anyone possibly positively identify a good muslim vs a bad today. There needs to be some compassion and tolerance for the people that are trying to END the extremists murderous campaign against anything they simply choose to dislike...seriously enough already
 
lpast said:
Im certainly not an intellectual and Im not a very highly educated individual
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If only you were TurtleDude, this would totally be sig worthy...
 
I see that the propaganda techniques his grandfather learned during his time supporting the Nazis has been passed down the generations.

No intelligent person should fall for this. Unfortunately, the world is filled to the brim with the unintelligent.
 
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Gardener said:
I see that the propaganda techniques his grandfather learned during his time supporting the Nazis has been passed down the generations.

No intelligent person should fall for this. Unfortunately, the world is filled to the brim with the unintelligent.
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So you believe that there has been absolutely no increase of Islamaphobia in Europe? You're wrong i'm afraid your deliberately blinding yourself. It has risen significantly and it has taken away the focus of Jews from the mainstream far right ideologies.

My opinion of it all though is this; the Muslim community either come together and exert a genuine effort to usurpe extremism among them and modernize their religion, or they continue to be villified to the point Islamaphobia becomes so popular that we give the wrong people a mandate to lead our country in the polls as did the Germans in '38.
 
So, where's the poll?
 
kaya'08 said:
So you believe that there has been absolutely no increase of Islamaphobia in Europe? You're wrong i'm afraid your deliberately blinding yourself. It has risen significantly and it has taken away the focus of Jews from the mainstream far right ideologies.

My opinion of it all though is this; the Muslim community either come together and exert a genuine effort to usurpe extremism among them and modernize their religion, or they continue to be villified to the point Islamaphobia becomes so popular that we give the wrong people a mandate to lead our country in the polls as did the Germans in '38.
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WHY? has it risen, muslims share no fault in that
 
lpast said:
WHY? has it risen, muslims share no fault in that
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Of course they do as i pointed out, it's just that you need to realize that the majority is shouldering the burden of the minority.
 
Both parties must examine themselves....closely....very closley.
And ask themselves " have I done anything to bring this hatred on ???? "
Absolute honesty is a must.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I'm going to be as careful as I can with this.

Because it is a touchy subject.

Do I think there's a growing anti-muslim organized sentiment in Europe? Absolutely. And I think it's something that needs to be addressed, how to address that issue I don't know.

On the flipside however, there are troubling developments that do come out of some muslim communities in Europe, I know there was an expose of sermons that were being preached in my dads old hometown in England... and they were quite troubling.

It has always been my belief that the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

I don't think there's an organized following within the general muslim community that wishes to destroy Europe or its values, but there are extremists who do, and hopefully they will be addressed.

But at the same time, it is cause for concern with the amount of hatred that could potentially be thrust upon what is largely an innocent community of people, that wished to move to a place for a better life, and be free to practise their religion.

There's a fine line between Hatred, discrimination and finally persecution, and those lines are not as far apart as you might think...

What we do today, effects tommorow, becareful the words you use, and the actions that you take, for concievably, the guilty ones won't be you, it will be your children.

That's the word, I stick to it.

Jetboogieman.
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Words from the wise....
Or, I agree.
 
kaya'08 said:
Of course they do as i pointed out, it's just that you need to realize that the majority is shouldering the burden of the minority.
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I submit that its their own fault by not SHOWING us their opposition to their own killing us and disrupting lives all over europe and the USA. Its on them to get forceful in denouncing muslim extremists, to date they do NOT.
Look as along as we uncover college professors and "supposed" non extremist muslims imams supporting extremists like in south florida the other day no one can expect europeans and americans to have any trust in general for islam. I repeat moderate muslims made their own bed by not vigorously condemning extremism for decades
 
earthworm said:
Both parties must examine themselves....closely....very closley.
And ask themselves " have I done anything to bring this hatred on ???? "
Absolute honesty is a must.
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I can tell you what I believe brought european and americans distrust..."FEAR" the ageless fire starter of wars and conflict.
 
Ben K. said:
I reckon the gypsies have it worse, but they haven't replaced anyone, they've always been vilified.
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If one Gypsy in a thousand steals, there are those who "think" that all Gypsies steal.
If for 200 years, not one Gypsy steals, maybe then "those" may finally think that no Gypsy steals.
This also applies to others, and, of course, its more than just stealing.
 
There should be another more realistic choice if this becomes a Poll.

٭Muslims, the new Vikings of Europe?

If not, I may start my own.
 
kaya'08 said:
So you believe that there has been absolutely no increase of Islamaphobia in Europe? You're wrong i'm afraid your deliberately blinding yourself. It has risen significantly and it has taken away the focus of Jews from the mainstream far right ideologies.

My opinion of it all though is this; the Muslim community either come together and exert a genuine effort to usurpe extremism among them and modernize their religion, or they continue to be villified to the point Islamaphobia becomes so popular that we give the wrong people a mandate to lead our country in the polls as did the Germans in '38.
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You are simply tossing out a term rather than making any attempt to analyze the nature of the claim.

Until you can show us how European Jews of the past were actively engaging in the sorts of behavior as Muslims of the present, then all you are doing is blowing smoke.
 
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