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    Re: Assult and Rape, does it justify deadly force?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    What's really needed is a culture where the concept of rape isn't diluted with the word "date".

    It's either rape.

    Or it's not.
    The date in date rape implies knowing the attacker. It's not really a literal descriptor and I don't think the law makes any distinction between "regular" rape and "date" rape.

    At least I hope to god it doesn't...

    But yes, it's all rape and it's all horrific.

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    Re: Assult and Rape, does it justify deadly force?

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I truly doubt that most men can relate to this with the proper mind set, not being subject to such violent attacks, for the most part.

    Rape is not about sex, it's about control and violence.

    I do wish there was a way we could punish some people in a manner that would have the long lasting metal issues that they subject women to.
    Amen. The rapist serves a few years in jails, gets buff, maybe learns how to be a better and harder to catch rapist, gets three hots and a cot and is out to live their life.

    The victim, meanwhile, gets to suffer depression, nightmares, self-loathing, social shunning, higher rates of drug/alcohol abuse and suicide, broken relationships and familial abandonment and the ever present knowledge that they were made a victim through no choice of their own. The victim is the one who gets the life sentence.

    What do you suggest, within the boundary of the Constitution?

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    Re: Assult and Rape, does it justify deadly force?

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    The date in date rape implies knowing the attacker. It's not really a literal descriptor and I don't think the law makes any distinction between "regular" rape and "date" rape.

    At least I hope to god it doesn't...

    But yes, it's all rape and it's all horrific.
    Nope.

    using the word "date" modifies the word rape, and by it's application to the concepts of unwanted groping, or simply the broad having second thoughts the morning after, has reduced the impact of the concept of rape itself.

    it's either rape.

    or it's not.

    That the assailant is most likely known by the victim is true most of the time, regardless.

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    Re: Assult and Rape, does it justify deadly force?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Nope.

    using the word "date" modifies the word rape, and by it's application to the concepts of unwanted groping, or simply the broad having second thoughts the morning after, has reduced the impact of the concept of rape itself.

    it's either rape.

    or it's not.

    That the assailant is most likely known by the victim is true most of the time, regardless.
    When you say "modifies the word rape", do you mean legally or in terms of interpretation by the listener?

    Unwanted groping is legally sexual assault. I don't see how date rape applies to the "broad" having second thoughts.

    I don't think I understand your statement exactly, please elaborate.

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    Re: Assult and Rape, does it justify deadly force?

    It's my understanding (and I could be wrong), that in a situation of self defense deadly force is authorized in many jurisdictions. Since rape is as much a physical assault as anything, self defense qualifies and thus does deadly force.

    Now, from a more emotional standpoint..if I didn't kill the bastard when he was doing it I'd find a way to kill him afterwards.
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    Re: Assult and Rape, does it justify deadly force?

    The Florida law is a self-defense, self-protection law. It has four key components:

    It establishes that law-abiding residents and visitors may legally presume the threat of bodily harm or death from anyone who breaks into a residence or occupied vehicle and may use defensive force, including deadly force, against the intruder.

    In any other place where a person “has a right to be,” that person has “no duty to retreat” if attacked and may “meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”

    In either case, a person using any force permitted by the law is immune from criminal prosecution or civil action and cannot be arrested unless a law enforcement agency determines there is probable cause that the force used was unlawful.

    If a civil action is brought and the court finds the defendant to be immune based on the parameters of the law, the defendant will be awarded all costs of defense.
    Florida 'Stand Your Ground' Law Explained

    I agree with the bold.

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    Re: Assult and Rape, does it justify deadly force?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    What's really needed is a culture where the concept of rape isn't diluted with the word "date".

    It's either rape.

    Or it's not.
    It's all rape, and it's all equally traumatic to the victim. I used the word 'date' in front simply to distinguish it from the stranger in a dark alley rape where being armed or knowing self-defense might be useful. But then again it might not be, it's not an unreasonable response to freeze up when confronted with danger.

    Perpetrators are not charged with date rape, they are charged with rape. When they're charged at all that it, which isn't often, but that's another topic.

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    Re: Assult and Rape, does it justify deadly force?

    A person being physically attacked, either sexually or violently, in my eyes has the right to use deadly force. In terms of a physically forced rape or violence in general, defending oneself with the least amount of force can lead to a permanent physical disability or death. Why should a victim of such a crime roll the dice with their life? They cannot know how things will turn out. They should be able to permanently end the threat of such a violation with no fear of retaliation against them. If it were up to me, they would never be bothered about killing another for these reasons. I'd also support a quick execution of those who disagree with their ability to defend themselves in such a manner and want to criminalize a person's right to eliminate such horrible threats to their life.

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    Re: Assult and Rape, does it justify deadly force?

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    When you say "modifies the word rape", do you mean legally or in terms of interpretation by the listener?

    Unwanted groping is legally sexual assault. I don't see how date rape applies to the "broad" having second thoughts.

    I don't think I understand your statement exactly, please elaborate.
    you've never heard of the broad that cried wolf before?

    And yes, in the eyes of the public, there is now "rape", wherein a complete stranger assaults a woman violently and sexually, and "date rape", in many cases of which the woman is strongly suspected of being a cock-teasing slut.

    Welcome to modern American culture.

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    Re: Assult and Rape, does it justify deadly force?

    Quote Originally Posted by Silence View Post
    It's all rape, and it's all equally traumatic to the victim. I used the word 'date' in front simply to distinguish it from the stranger in a dark alley rape where being armed or knowing self-defense might be useful. But then again it might not be, it's not an unreasonable response to freeze up when confronted with danger.

    Perpetrators are not charged with date rape, they are charged with rape. When they're charged at all that it, which isn't often, but that's another topic.
    Right.

    you modified the term because not all "rape" today is rape as it was once known. The Mayor cannot help that you're defending the dilution of the term, but you're going to continue to deny that the term has been diluted because it's been programmed into you to use certain phrases without conscious study of their meanings. Can't help you there.

    But, if you're going to discuss rape, discuss rape and don't worry about the adjectrivial parsing.

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