View Poll Results: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

Voters
46. You may not vote on this poll
  • Neither should be banned.

    23 50.00%
  • Both should be banned.

    17 36.96%
  • Only the DUI checkpoint app should be banned.

    1 2.17%
  • Only the Red Light came app should be banned.

    3 6.52%
  • I do not know know/maybe/other

    2 4.35%
Page 1 of 16 12311 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 154

Thread: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

  1. #1
    Sage
    jamesrage's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    A place where common sense exists
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:08 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    29,558

    Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Neither should be banned.
    Both should be banned.
    Only the DUI checkpoint app should be banned.
    Only the Red Light came app should be banned.
    I do not know know/maybe.





    As far as I am concerned the government has no business banning either.If I choose to want to have these apps then it is my business. Besides that they usually advertise on TV where and when they are going to have DUI check point.And as far as I am concerned red light cams only prove that it was your car that ran the red light not you,so you should not be forced to pay for a ticket for an offenses that you did not do nor can they prove you did.




    I remember commenting in another thread how this should be invent,it looks like somebody already has.
    Four senators target DUI checkpoint apps - USATODAY.com
    In a letter Tuesday, the senators asked Apple, Google and BlackBerry to either disable or quit selling downloadable applications that allow iPhone and iPad, BlackBerry and Android operating systems to identify locations of local police DUI crackdowns.

    "We know that your companies share our desire to end the scourge of drunk driving, and we therefore would ask you to remove these applications from your store unless they are altered to remove the DUI/DWI checkpoint functionality," wrote Sens. Harry Reid of Nevada, Charles Schumer of New York, Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey and Tom Udall of New Mexico.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 05-18-11 at 10:40 AM.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

  2. #2
    Devourer of Poor Children
    DrunkenAsparagus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    DC
    Last Seen
    01-20-16 @ 03:07 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    4,496

    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    If we ban these, then we have to ban visine drops, because pot smokers use them.
    "Doubleplusungood"

    George Orwell

  3. #3
    Bring us a shrubbery!
    tessaesque's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Plano, Texas
    Last Seen
    11-14-16 @ 03:32 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    15,903

    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    In Texas, the red light cameras are not a police function. They are owned, operated, and "fines" are administered by a private company. It isn't documented as a traffic violation when you're caught running a red light with one of these cameras. The organizations running the program have signed a contract with the state. The state gets a percentage of the "fine" in exchange for granting a hold on all license or registration renewals for those who fail to pay. You cannot contest a violation, apply for deferred adjudication or defensive driving to help nullify the ticket, etc.
    "Hmmm...Can't decide if I want to watch "Four Houses" or give myself an Icy Hot pee hole enema..." - Blake Shelton


  4. #4
    Baby Eating Monster
    Korimyr the Rat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Laramie, WY
    Last Seen
    11-11-16 @ 03:14 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    18,668
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    There is no purpose to these applications except to make it easier to break the law and these particular laws are absolutely necessary for public safety.

  5. #5
    Sage
    jamesrage's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    A place where common sense exists
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:08 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    29,558

    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    In Texas, the red light cameras are not a police function. They are owned, operated, and "fines" are administered by a private company. It isn't documented as a traffic violation when you're caught running a red light with one of these cameras. The organizations running the program have signed a contract with the state. The state gets a percentage of the "fine" in exchange for granting a hold on all license or registration renewals for those who fail to pay. You cannot contest a violation, apply for deferred adjudication or defensive driving to help nullify the ticket, etc.
    Actually you can contest a violation.
    Red-light Safety Camera Program | City of Fort Worth, Texas
    Contesting a Violation

    If, after viewing your video at www.ViolationInfo.com, you feel a violation does not exist, you may contest the violation in writing by completing the coupon on the back of your notice and returning it back by the due date. All contests must be made in writing.

    The vehicle owner will be notified in writing of the date, time and location of the hearing. If the vehicle owner is found liable or fails to appear, the civil penalty must be paid within 30 days. No additional fees will be added.

    If you receive a notice of violation for a vehicle you do not own or was reported stolen at the time of violation, submit an affidavit of non-liability by the due date. Affidavits are available at www.ViolationInfo.com and must be completed, notarized, and mailed to:
    Violation Processing Center
    P.O. Box 59995
    Phoenix, AZ 85076-9995

    If you have sold the vehicle, visit the Texas Department of Transportation Web site to ensure your vehicle's title was properly transferred.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

  6. #6
    Sage
    Ikari's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Colorado
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:44 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    49,352

    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    If we ban these, then we have to ban visine drops, because pot smokers use them.
    Pot smokers are not the government, and hence they are not the ones whom are limited in their use of power. The government is restricted, not the People.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

  7. #7
    Bring us a shrubbery!
    tessaesque's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Plano, Texas
    Last Seen
    11-14-16 @ 03:32 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    15,903

    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Perhaps the system in Fort Worth is not the only system? I received a violation notice in Duncanville and had no recourse unless my car had been reported stolen. I couldn't argue that I had stopped, and then made a legal turn on red. I couldn't attend any meeting or function to contest the "charges". It was "pay it or you won't be able to renew your registration next year".
    "Hmmm...Can't decide if I want to watch "Four Houses" or give myself an Icy Hot pee hole enema..." - Blake Shelton


  8. #8
    Sage
    Ikari's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Colorado
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:44 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    49,352

    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Perhaps the system in Fort Worth is not the only system? I received a violation notice in Duncanville and had no recourse unless my car had been reported stolen. I couldn't argue that I had stopped, and then made a legal turn on red. I couldn't attend any meeting or function to contest the "charges". It was "pay it or you won't be able to renew your registration next year".
    I think that's bull****. First off fines and penalties from using the public roads should be administered by government only. No private business has right to issue tickets on public property like that. Secondly, there should always be the ability to redress the government; particularly for these things. Otherwise it's nothing more than government sanctioned theft. Which is most likely what they want. To be honest, I can see more call for red light cameras than I can DUI checkpoints. I think the checkpoints are clearly an unreasonable search.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

  9. #9
    Bring us a shrubbery!
    tessaesque's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Plano, Texas
    Last Seen
    11-14-16 @ 03:32 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    15,903

    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think that's bull****. First off fines and penalties from using the public roads should be administered by government only. No private business has right to issue tickets on public property like that. Secondly, there should always be the ability to redress the government; particularly for these things. Otherwise it's nothing more than government sanctioned theft. Which is most likely what they want. To be honest, I can see more call for red light cameras than I can DUI checkpoints. I think the checkpoints are clearly an unreasonable search.
    I think a DUI checkpoint depends on the situation. If it is set up outside of a bar at 2:15am I have no problem with them. If they're on a residential street at 2:30pm I might have an issue.
    "Hmmm...Can't decide if I want to watch "Four Houses" or give myself an Icy Hot pee hole enema..." - Blake Shelton


  10. #10
    Can't stop the signal...
    theangryamerican's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    The Wild West
    Last Seen
    07-29-13 @ 09:50 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    2,233

    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Neither should be banned. Both DUI checkpoints and Red Light Cameras are violations of a citizen's rights, and are really nothing more than shameless money grabs on the part of the state. There is no law that prevents citizens from sharing the locations of a checkpoint or camera personally, so why should an app that does the same thing be banned? However, even if these companies do remove the apps from their official stores, I see that having no impact on the average smart device user. Any app banned from the official app store is usually available on the jailbroken market within a matter of days. I'd love to see government try to go after the actual producers of the software and win that one in court.
    "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it." - Judge Learned Hand

Page 1 of 16 12311 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •