View Poll Results: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

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  • Neither should be banned.

    23 50.00%
  • Both should be banned.

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  • Only the DUI checkpoint app should be banned.

    1 2.17%
  • Only the Red Light came app should be banned.

    3 6.52%
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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    I didn't say people should go into your car and look through it, but plain view doctrine holds for privacy laws. If its in plain sight, you don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy.
    The issue with check points is the police stop you for no apparent reason to get that peek in the car. If we were talking about a cops walks by a stopped car with the window down and sees a bag of pot and arrests a guy, sure, I'm in agreement. If he stops you first (for no apparent reason) then it's a whole different story.
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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    So you are against DUI check points?

    And you don't have an expectation of privacy while in public.
    The fourth amendment still exists even in public. I don't understand you people saying stuff essentially saying that if you're outside the government can do whatever they want to you whenever they want to do it. It is in all seriousness, insane.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The fourth amendment still exists even in public. I don't understand you people saying stuff essentially saying that if you're outside the government can do whatever they want to you whenever they want to do it. It is in all seriousness, insane.
    Ahhh nooo. Read the context please. Plain view doctrine

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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    The issue with check points is the police stop you for no apparent reason to get that peek in the car. If we were talking about a cops walks by a stopped car with the window down and sees a bag of pot and arrests a guy, sure, I'm in agreement. If he stops you first (for no apparent reason) then it's a whole different story.
    And there we have it, the crux of the problem. I'm not here to sing and dance for the government, show them my papers every time they ask. They must have evidence, they must have reason; and without it they MAY NOT interfere.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Ahhh nooo. Read the context please. Plain view doctrine
    People may be able to see me, but I still retain the right to secure myself, my papers and property against unlawful, unreasonable search and seizure.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And there we have it, the crux of the problem. I'm not here to sing and dance for the government, show them my papers every time they ask. They must have evidence, they must have reason; and without it they MAY NOT interfere.
    So you are against DUI check points because there isn't probable cause?


    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    People may be able to see me, but I still retain the right to secure myself, my papers and property against unlawful, unreasonable search and seizure.
    So you are against a terry frisk as well?

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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    So you are against DUI check points because there isn't probable cause?




    So you are against a terry frisk as well?
    Without probable cause? ABSOLUTELY!
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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    So you are against DUI check points because there isn't probable cause?
    Yes

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    So you are against a terry frisk as well?
    Yes, in fact that is such a gross abuse of power that we should not stand for it. When the government infringes upon our rights and liberties for too long it is our right and duty to replace it with one which shall.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    Without probable cause? ABSOLUTELY!
    So you are completely against DUI check points, or does having them outside of party probable cause?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes, in fact that is such a gross abuse of power that we should not stand for it. When the government infringes upon our rights and liberties for too long it is our right and duty to replace it with one which shall.
    Public safety doesn't play role?

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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    So you are completely against DUI check points, or does having them outside of party probable cause?
    If a cop sees someone swearving and driving recklessly, they may pull them over. If they believe they could be drunk driving, they may test them. If someone is driving fine, shown no indication of poor driving; the police MUST move along.

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Public safety doesn't play role?
    Never at the cost of freedom and liberty.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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