View Poll Results: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

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  • Neither should be banned.

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  • Both should be banned.

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  • Only the DUI checkpoint app should be banned.

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  • Only the Red Light came app should be banned.

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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    I voted for both should be banned, big brother leviathan needs to be put back in the box. Are we so willing to sacrifice our freedoms and privacy all in the name of security, or do we live free and the risk associated with it.

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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    My answer might surprise some folks on here...... ban neither.

    I have one of these applications on my cell phone as well. Its called "Trapster" I believe. (I put it on there so I can see when people are reporting me running stationary radar as a "Speed Trap" )

    The information is obtained from OTHER USERS reporting the activity. I find absolutely no reason why the government should ban communication between individuals on the internet.

    If anything, these programs, more specifically the ones that report "speed traps", are doing our job for us. The job of law enforcement enforcing traffic speed laws is to keep people driving at a reasonable speed so the harm done during a crash isn't unnecessarily higher than it should be. If people see the "speed trap" warning on their application, they will be wary about going fast. That is going to make them drive at a reasonable speed, thus doing our job for us. This same can apply to the red light camera systems. If people see it, they are going to make sure they do not run that red light. Which is going to increase traffic safety at that intersection, and other intersections where the same thing is occurring.

    As far as the DWI checkpoint aspect is concerned. The person may decide to call a cab instead. The person may decide to try to take an alternate route, however, I highly doubt the person who would do so carefully planned this out a head of time based upon the information they received, they may have received a warning as they were approaching the area, which means they are screwing around with their phone and are probably a prime candidate to get pulled over for swerving on the roadway anyways not to mention when they get within eyesight of the checkpoint and then decide to turn around, many jurisdictions are authorized to stop a vehicle that turns around at a checkpoint. And, lastly on the DWI checkpoint issue....... DWI checkpoints do not occur so often that this would be an often enough used feature of the application, and DEFINATELY not worth banning the application.

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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah, well neither do I, for if I had my way DUI penalties would be similar to cell phone penalties. At least if you didn't cause an accident or damage property.
    So you're okay with giving drunk drivers nothing but slaps on the wrist until they finally kill someone? No, that's unacceptable.

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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    I was being sarcastic. I was just taking the arguments for the ban to their logical conclusion. If we are going to ban some things because they could be used to commit a crime as well as legal things, why not ban everything?
    The ONLY aspect of these applications that "help" someone commit a crime is the DWI checkpoint aspect.
    The others only make sure that the individual doesn't commit a crime.
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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    So you're okay with giving drunk drivers nothing but slaps on the wrist until they finally kill someone? No, that's unacceptable.
    A big fine wouldn't be a slap on the wrist. But I certainly wouldn't charge them nearly 10,000 bucks, mandate classes and therapy, make them go to MADD talks, give them 40+ hours of community service, take away their license, and threaten them with jail time for an offense which had not actually infringed upon the rights of others.
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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    A big fine wouldn't be a slap on the wrist. But I certainly wouldn't charge them nearly 10,000 bucks, mandate classes and therapy, make them go to MADD talks, give them 40+ hours of community service, take away their license, and threaten them with jail time for an offense which had not actually infringed upon the rights of others.
    Fining them ten thousand dollars is ridiculous, but I wouldn't hesitate to throw them in prison, where they can get all of the classes and therapy they need. Repeat offenders absolutely should lose their licenses, because they have demonstrated that they cannot be trusted to operate a motor vehicle.

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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Fining them ten thousand dollars is ridiculous, but I wouldn't hesitate to throw them in prison, where they can get all of the classes and therapy they need. Repeat offenders absolutely should lose their licenses, because they have demonstrated that they cannot be trusted to operate a motor vehicle.
    Repeat offenders can have their license revoked. First time too maybe, but 3-6 months max. We shouldn't ruin these people's lives because they made a mistake which hurt no one. But jail I would only reserve if you injured another person, not someone who was a block from their home. Several hundred dollar fine, which is huge, but flat for first time. No classes, no therapy (that's for repeat offenders), no jail time, no "alcohol evaluation", none of the BS crap that comes with DUI fueled through emotional propaganda. Rational laws and reasonable punishment is what I say.
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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    I have mixed feelings about it. On the one hand I agree that people have the right to share the information in the case of DUI check points, on the other hand DUI check points serve a much needed function of getting dangerous people off the road. I don't have a problem with red light cams. I don't see how they violate anyone's rights. I do have a problem with not being able to contest their finding, especially if the cam doesn't photo graph the driver though.

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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But jail I would only reserve if you injured another person, not someone who was a block from their home. Several hundred dollar fine, which is huge, but flat for first time. No classes, no therapy (that's for repeat offenders), no jail time, no "alcohol evaluation", none of the BS crap that comes with DUI fueled through emotional propaganda.
    People who break the law once need to be reminded of the seriousness of breaking it again. Some States require you to take DUI classes before you can obtain your license; that I find ridiculous.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Rational laws and reasonable punishment is what I say.
    I find your permissiveness neither rational nor reasonable. The current laws are unreasonable, but you would err in the opposite direction.

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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

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    Those are DUI Laws for Florida. To me, it seems too lenient. I do not want drunk drivers around me. People drive like idiots enough as it is! I live in a college town and know plenty of people who drive after drinking. I won't drive around 2 am on a Friday or a Saturday. Any day that is a drinking holiday, such as cinco de mayo and st patricks day, I won't drive at any time. I think we should do anything we can to keep drunks off the road. I also agree that people shouldn't text while driving but that is harder to control. Someone could be looking at their GPS or ignoring a call or heck even just looking down at your lap momentarily.

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