View Poll Results: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

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  • Neither should be banned.

    23 50.00%
  • Both should be banned.

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  • Only the DUI checkpoint app should be banned.

    1 2.17%
  • Only the Red Light came app should be banned.

    3 6.52%
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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    What rights are we referring to, exactly? Because I am not aware of any right to drunk or reckless driving.
    In the case of DUI checkpoints, they violate my Constitutional right to be free from unreasonable search and/or seizure. If I've not given any indication that I'm breaking any traffic laws, I have no business being Terry stopped by law enforcement.

    Red light cameras violate my Constitutional right to confront my accuser. Because a piece of electronic equipment cannot physically testify against me or be proven a reliable witness in court, their “evidence” against me should be unenforceable.
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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    What rights are we referring to, exactly? Because I am not aware of any right to drunk or reckless driving.
    Unreasonable search and seizure. Because if you are showing signs of reckless driving, that's one thing. But if you're merely in a line for the cops to come up and check on ya; that's a whole nother ball game.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Unreasonable search and seizure. Because if you are showing signs of reckless driving, that's one thing. But if you're merely in a line for the cops to come up and check on ya; that's a whole nother ball game.
    Did you mistake the poll for "DUI checkpoints and red cams" instead of "DUI check points and red light cam apps"?
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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    In the case of DUI checkpoints, they violate my Constitutional right to be free from unreasonable search and/or seizure. If I've not given any indication that I'm breaking any traffic laws, I have no business being Terry stopped by law enforcement.

    Red light cameras violate my Constitutional right to confront my accuser. Because a piece of electronic equipment cannot physically testify against me or be proven a reliable witness in court, their “evidence” against me should be unenforceable.
    The reason I would be ok with the red light cameras is that at the very least they do not fire (take a picture) less someone is actually breaking the law. The check points, however, are well more general and they pull over everyone even if they have not driven in a manner which would have broken the law.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    In Texas, the red light cameras are not a police function. They are owned, operated, and "fines" are administered by a private company. It isn't documented as a traffic violation when you're caught running a red light with one of these cameras. The organizations running the program have signed a contract with the state. The state gets a percentage of the "fine" in exchange for granting a hold on all license or registration renewals for those who fail to pay. You cannot contest a violation, apply for deferred adjudication or defensive driving to help nullify the ticket, etc.
    Yes you can contest it. Lawyers are making a living off of it. The city that has the cameras gets the lions share of the revenue. The state gets a portion, and the company that installed them gets a portion plus a monthly fee for maintaining them. These deals are made with individual cities.........not the state..........We in Houston voted them out...........and they were promptly turned off. Also the state not renewing your licence is a bluff..............the state made no such deal. They just put that on the fine to scare you into paying it. Why would the state not renew your 60 registration over a their 10% of a $75 dollar fine (7.50) Makes no sense

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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Perhaps the system in Fort Worth is not the only system? I received a violation notice in Duncanville and had no recourse unless my car had been reported stolen. I couldn't argue that I had stopped, and then made a legal turn on red. I couldn't attend any meeting or function to contest the "charges". It was "pay it or you won't be able to renew your registration next year".

    These companies legally have to record the offense. When i got mine they sent me the link to the video.

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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    What rights are we referring to, exactly? Because I am not aware of any right to drunk or reckless driving.
    Probable cause...........police cant just stop you and hope to find something to charge you with.

    These are banned in TEXAS

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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think you should have sought legal advice or asked to speak with a manager or file a complaint. I think someone is bull****ing you.




    I agree with that a 100%.Law enforcement should be only done by law enforcement not by companies.
    Law enforcement makes the decsion to ticket you or not..............the company handles the paperwork and shuffles the money

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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Red light cameras violate my Constitutional right to confront my accuser. Because a piece of electronic equipment cannot physically testify against me or be proven a reliable witness in court, their “evidence” against me should be unenforceable.
    That's a fair argument.

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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The reason I would be ok with the red light cameras is that at the very least they do not fire (take a picture) less someone is actually breaking the law. The check points, however, are well more general and they pull over everyone even if they have not driven in a manner which would have broken the law.
    There have been documented cases of cities shortening the yellow lights on intersections where red light cameras are placed, making the intersections actually more dangerous, just to boost revenue. The system operating the cameras is automated, so it does not have the judgement of an officer sitting on the same corner. As a ridiculous example, if I move partially in to an intersection on a red light in order to make way for a passing emergency vehicle, I'll be photographed and ticketed. An officer would be able to see that, a computer system just takes a picture and, in court, it's my word against the picture, if I'm even able to notice that I had a picture taken and connect it mentally to the time I was moving out of the way of the ambulance.

    However, we've gotten a bit off track here. This is about the actual mapping apps, not the cameras or checkpoints themselves, and I stand by my statement that there's nothing wrong with the apps in question.
    "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it." - Judge Learned Hand

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