View Poll Results: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

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  • Neither should be banned.

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  • Both should be banned.

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  • Only the DUI checkpoint app should be banned.

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  • Only the Red Light came app should be banned.

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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Neither should be banned. Both DUI checkpoints and Red Light Cameras are violations of a citizen's rights...
    What rights are we referring to, exactly? Because I am not aware of any right to drunk or reckless driving.

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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Perhaps the system in Fort Worth is not the only system? I received a violation notice in Duncanville and had no recourse unless my car had been reported stolen. I couldn't argue that I had stopped, and then made a legal turn on red. I couldn't attend any meeting or function to contest the "charges". It was "pay it or you won't be able to renew your registration next year".
    I think you have to contact redflex customer service.


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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    I think there are legitimate reasons to run a red light. If the person behind you isn't going to stop or slow down and you think you may get hit, then going through the light while it is almost red (i.e. on yellow but towards the end of the yellow, where you would end up in the middle of the intersection when the light turns red). People often get tickets for making a legal right turn as tessa mentioned. There are a few other reasons as well. When the camera takes a picture of you and you get a ticket a few days later you may not remember what happened and even if you do, how can you prove it. Now I am in favor of speeding cameras and DUI checkpoints(although I haven't given much thought to this one, so my opinion might change). To the person who said that it proves your car ran it not you... If someone is driving your car, it is your responsibility. Period. Thats the way the law works and don't loan your car to someone you don't trust. If they run a red light make them pay it.

    Now to the apps, I am on the fence about it. I know for red light cameras at least in this area, there is a sign that says that this intersection is photo enforced or something like that. I think it even says it on my GPS. I don't think people should be drinking and driving so anyway cops can get people that are doing it, I say go for it. Banning these apps though seems wrong but I can't explain why I think that.

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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think you have to contact redflex customer service.


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    I did. I read the fine backwards and forwards. I called because there was no option anywhere in the paperwork to contest the fine. I was told "you can't contest it. If you don't pay, you're registration will be placed on a hold and you will be in violation of state law when your current sticker expires". This was two years ago, so perhaps they have revised some of the BS policies...but they're still BS. A private organization should not be policing me.
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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    There is no purpose to these applications except to make it easier to break the law and these particular laws are absolutely necessary for public safety.
    The majority of people stopped by a DUI check are not breaking the law and they usually advertise on the news where and when these check points will be,so its not like someone is getting classified info. As for red light cams doesn't knowing where a camera is encourage the motorist to stop at a red light?
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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    As for red light cams doesn't knowing where a camera is encourage the motorist to stop at a red light?
    Knowing where the camera is encourages the motorist to stop at one red light. Not knowing where the camera is encourages the motorist to stop at all red lights.

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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I did. I read the fine backwards and forwards. I called because there was no option anywhere in the paperwork to contest the fine. I was told "you can't contest it. If you don't pay, you're registration will be placed on a hold and you will be in violation of state law when your current sticker expires". This was two years ago, so perhaps they have revised some of the BS policies...but they're still BS.

    I think you should have sought legal advice or asked to speak with a manager or file a complaint. I think someone is bull****ing you.



    A private organization should not be policing me.
    I agree with that a 100%.Law enforcement should be only done by law enforcement not by companies.
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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Pot smokers are not the government, and hence they are not the ones whom are limited in their use of power. The government is restricted, not the People.
    I was being sarcastic. I was just taking the arguments for the ban to their logical conclusion. If we are going to ban some things because they could be used to commit a crime as well as legal things, why not ban everything?
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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Neither should be banned. Both DUI checkpoints and Red Light Cameras are violations of a citizen's rights, and are really nothing more than shameless money grabs on the part of the state. There is no law that prevents citizens from sharing the locations of a checkpoint or camera personally, so why should an app that does the same thing be banned? However, even if these companies do remove the apps from their official stores, I see that having no impact on the average smart device user. Any app banned from the official app store is usually available on the jailbroken market within a matter of days. I'd love to see government try to go after the actual producers of the software and win that one in court.
    I have two issues with this post. First, no law that prevents citizens from sharing locations of a checkpoint or camera. Maybe not particularly in this case, but there was a speed trap on a road and my mom tried to alert other drivers by flashing her lights. A cop saw her and gave her a ticket. I would think the same law she broke would apply in this situation as well.

    Second, the money grabbing. If you choose to break the law, you should pay. People keep complaining that the state has no money and they keep cutting important programs but no one is willing to find ways to gain money or cut anything. What is wrong with charging people that break the law more money to deter them from continuing to put other people in danger?

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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Knowing where the camera is encourages the motorist to stop at one red light. Not knowing where the camera is encourages the motorist to stop at all red lights.
    Most people who get tickets do not know there is a traffic cam this until they get a ticket in the mail. If you drive a particular way everyday you pretty much know where the red light cams are anyways seeing how they usually post signs that a particular light is enforced with a traffic cam,so those people are not being stopped from speeding at other red lights. So its not some secret a area has traffic cams.




    Not knowing where the camera is encourages the motorist to stop at all red lights.
    This is only true if you are new to the area and do not know where the red light cams so you are driving to spot where the cams are,this is of course assuming you are even worried about getting a ticket by a camera.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 05-18-11 at 02:08 PM.
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