View Poll Results: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

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  • Neither should be banned.

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  • Both should be banned.

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  • Only the DUI checkpoint app should be banned.

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  • Only the Red Light came app should be banned.

    3 6.52%
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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    DUI checkpoints involve law enforcement officials stopping every vehicle or every nth vehicle, so drivers are stopped without probable cause or reasonable suspicion.
    Probable cause refers to facts or evidence that would make a reasonable person believe that a crime or wrong doing has been, is being, or will be committed.
    Reasonable suspicion requires facts or circumstances that would lead a reasonable person to believe that a suspect has, is, or will commit a crime.
    DUI checkpoints meet neither probable cause nor reasonable suspicion requirements.

    US Constitution – Bill of Rights – 4th Amendment
    The California Constitution – Article 1 – Section 13 mirrors the 4th Amendment
    In the 1750s, 60s, etc., the English authorities had almost unlimited power and hardly any oversight which brought general searches, general warrants, and general seizures. DUI checkpoints use ‘general seizures.’ The 4th Amendment was intended to protect us against these types of situations.
    This is about individual liberty vs. the unchecked power of the state.
    The app is not illegal nor is making such information public.


    Red Light cameras are a joke. They are nothing but revenue generators for the state. It’s not about fewer collisions caused by drivers running through intersections…in Los Angeles 80% of photo tickets are for right-turn violations. It’s a sneaky way to raise revenue without raising taxes.
    The Red Light Cam apps save people’s wallets from the vacuum of the state.
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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by peepnklown View Post
    DUI checkpoints involve law enforcement officials stopping every vehicle or every nth vehicle, so drivers are stopped without probable cause or reasonable suspicion.
    Probable cause refers to facts or evidence that would make a reasonable person believe that a crime or wrong doing has been, is being, or will be committed.
    Reasonable suspicion requires facts or circumstances that would lead a reasonable person to believe that a suspect has, is, or will commit a crime.
    DUI checkpoints meet neither probable cause nor reasonable suspicion requirements.

    US Constitution – Bill of Rights – 4th Amendment
    The California Constitution – Article 1 – Section 13 mirrors the 4th Amendment
    In the 1750s, 60s, etc., the English authorities had almost unlimited power and hardly any oversight which brought general searches, general warrants, and general seizures. DUI checkpoints use ‘general seizures.’ The 4th Amendment was intended to protect us against these types of situations.
    This is about individual liberty vs. the unchecked power of the state.
    The app is not illegal nor is making such information public.


    Red Light cameras are a joke. They are nothing but revenue generators for the state. It’s not about fewer collisions caused by drivers running through intersections…in Los Angeles 80% of photo tickets are for right-turn violations. It’s a sneaky way to raise revenue without raising taxes.
    The Red Light Cam apps save people’s wallets from the vacuum of the state.
    I agree completely, like seat belt laws this too is nothing more than a revenue generator especially in the state of CT. You can be stopped and fined for not wearing your seat belt, yet you can ride a motorcycle without a helmet legally in the state of CT. Just about all traffic laws are about revenue because if it were about safety a demerit system and governors on the vehicles would be more likely to promote safety.

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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    I popped on here the other night and quickly voted incorrectly. I hadn't been keeping up again. RIM (Blackberry fame) apparently pulled an app from their site that showed DWI checkpoints, red light cameras, and speed traps because 4 senators complained about people using the app to evade law enforcement.

    So, I looked for a third party app and found this one: Speed Trap Sharing System - Trapster
    It's community orientated. There are almost 12 million users ATT. I added a red light camera that's by my house that wasn't being shown. It's a really cool program. It gives out voice audio warnings. I've got Bill Clinton's voice warning me now but I think I'll D/L the Yogi and Boo-Boo voice warnings later today.
    Glad I could help!

    Edit: Trapster has D/Ls for most smart phone platforms.
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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Then you really aren't about safety. Texting and driving IS more dangerous than drunk driving.

    Once again, drunks may cause 29% of traffic accidents - but sober idiots cause the other 71% - including people who text while driving.

    The fact that you dismiss texting and driving because "it's harder to control" proves you're only out to get some people because propaganda has declared them criminals, while you dismiss people who are more dangerous (and probably more prevalent) because you think that law would be inconvenient.

    Get those people (you disdain them); but those more dangerous people, well...we don't have time for them. Besides, they're like the people I know, so they can't be criminals (until they kill someone).

    Drinking and driving is bad. Yes. No one denies that. But your attitude and our present laws don't reflect a true concern for safety...
    I had this thought last night (and this morning as I have to drive an hour while really tired!). Tired drivers are just as dangerous as someone with a 0.8 BAC probably even more but if you made it a law that you cant drive while sleepy, you would have no one on the road. And that one actually is impossible to enforce. Should we do that as well? The law is meant to protect people and that is what it is doing with the DUI laws but there are some things that you just can't enforce.

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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Ooops.

    The Mayor accidentally clicked "no".

    Under the First Amendment it's not lawful for the government to ban them.

    Under the Fourth Amendment, DUI checkpoints are illegal.

    As for red light cameras, they serve primarily as profit centers for local governments, and the fact that the cities runnin the things typically reduce the yellow light timing to increase scores should be a factor for every lawsuit brought against the city for injuries suffered by anyone at any red light in the city, monitored or not, because red light cameras cause people to hurry, not slow down, at lighted intersections when the warning yellow is lit.

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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by lovetosing4678 View Post
    I had this thought last night (and this morning as I have to drive an hour while really tired!). Tired drivers are just as dangerous as someone with a 0.8 BAC probably even more but if you made it a law that you cant drive while sleepy, you would have no one on the road. And that one actually is impossible to enforce. Should we do that as well? The law is meant to protect people and that is what it is doing with the DUI laws but there are some things that you just can't enforce.
    No.

    The DUI laws are meant to raise revenues, first, and protect people, second. Also, DUI isn't even close to being the largest cause of vehicular accidents. Eating, interacting with passengers, and cell phone, radio, and other distractions all create a higher incidence of accidents.

    DUI is a politically popular target because no one defends it. No legislature is ever going to pass a law forbidding EWD (Eating While Driving), or TTYPWD (Talking To Your Passenger While Driving), and the cell phone industry was ecstatic when the control freaks decided that cell phones could be targeted for revenue raising. The cell telephone industry has made a secondary fortune marketing "hands-free" gadgets.

    Everytime a political hack decides something needs more regulation, try to find out who's getting the money.

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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Driving while intoxicated is illegal for a reason. It is very dangerous. Just because other dangerous activities while driving that SHOULD be illegal are not illegal is not a logical argument to make it LEGAL to drive a car while intoxicated. DWI laws are necessary.

    Also, there is no fourth amendment violation with DWI checkpoints. You do not have a right to drive and you are driving on public property which is regulated by the government. The government has a right to make sure that you are operating in a safe and legal manner on the public streets.
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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Also, there is no fourth amendment violation with DWI checkpoints. You do not have a right to drive and you are driving on public property which is regulated by the government. The government has a right to make sure that you are operating in a safe and legal manner on the public streets.
    Hogwash. It's a cliche that driving is a privilege. It is a right. The only way it can be denied you is via the court system by legislated mandate. That sounds like a right to me.
    That point aside, merely being on public property (roads) doesn't give the government the ability to ignore your rights.
    AND the government doesn't have rights, citizens do. The government has an "obligation" to make sure people are operating in a safe manner.
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    Re: Should DUI checkpoint and red light cam apps be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Driving while intoxicated is illegal for a reason. It is very dangerous. Just because other dangerous activities while driving that SHOULD be illegal are not illegal is not a logical argument to make it LEGAL to drive a car while intoxicated. DWI laws are necessary.

    Also, there is no fourth amendment violation with DWI checkpoints. You do not have a right to drive and you are driving on public property which is regulated by the government. The government has a right to make sure that you are operating in a safe and legal manner on the public streets.
    Care to quote anyone stating that DUI should be legal?

    Also, the DUI checkpoints are indeed a violation of the Fourth. No probable cause exists to stop every car or every third car, or whatever. Probable cause means the operator of the vehicle is demonstrating inadequate control of his vehicle and poses a safety threat to others.

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