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    Re: should this judge resign his club membership?

    Oh...hey...even though the Association for Women in Math allows the token male, none of their board members or scholarship recipients are men. Curious. I dont know...Id have to say that since their mission is to promote women in the profession and they exist solely to
    "encourage women and girls to study and to have active careers in the mathematical sciences, and to promote equal opportunity and the equal treatment of women and girls in the mathematical sciences" I'd say their mission was pretty gender biased...and...thats not right...


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    Re: should this judge resign his club membership?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Great point, FFG. The NAACP and NOW are wonderful organizations that do not practice membership discrimination in any way. That anyone would compare these institutions to a racist country club is mindboggling.
    The National Organization for Women's 1966 Statement of Purpose
    NOTICE: This is a historic document, which was adopted at NOW's first National Conference in Washington, D.C. on October 29, 1966. The words are those of the 1960s, and do not reflect current language or NOW's current priorities.

    We, men and women who hereby constitute ourselves as the National Organization for Women, believe that the time has come for a new movement toward true equality for all women in America, and toward a fully equal partnership of the sexes, as part of the world-wide revolution of human rights now taking place within and beyond our national borders.

    The National Organization for Women's 1966 Statement of Purpose

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    Re: should this judge resign his club membership?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    A REAL libertarian opposes government endorsed racism where ever it may occur. Being a judge is a privilege, not a right. Nobody is saying he can't join a racist country club, just that he can't do it while sitting on the federal bench.

    If you can't understand that, then it is you who is the false libertarian.

    Theres that GI situational Libertarian we were talking about the other day...who believes in individual rights and freedoms when it is conveeeeenient to their own personal beliefs and bias.

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    Re: should this judge resign his club membership?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    The National Organization for Women's 1966 Statement of Purpose
    NOTICE: This is a historic document, which was adopted at NOW's first National Conference in Washington, D.C. on October 29, 1966. The words are those of the 1960s, and do not reflect current language or NOW's current priorities.

    We, men and women who hereby constitute ourselves as the National Organization for Women, believe that the time has come for a new movement toward true equality for all women in America, and toward a fully equal partnership of the sexes, as part of the world-wide revolution of human rights now taking place within and beyond our national borders.

    The National Organization for Women's 1966 Statement of Purpose
    I didnt bring up either NOW or NAACP...but since others did...how many mens rights issues do you see them fighting for? As long as men are willing to join and advocate for womens issues...well...sure...they are welcome.

    Hearken back to the Shirley Sherrod situation from July of last year...how many non blacks did you see at that event?

    just sayin...tokenism isnt exactly a positive means of judging an organization. Apparently the country club in question has it's 'token' and not too many blacks have applied for membership.
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    Re: should this judge resign his club membership?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Theres that GI situational Libertarian we were talking about the other day...who believes in individual rights and freedoms when it is conveeeeenient to their own personal beliefs and bias.
    Are you serious? I'm advocating the libertarian position here, and you're advocating what is basically a racist-authoritarian position. AGAIN.

    Let's review real quick:

    1. Being a judge is not a right, it is a privilege. This is the libertarian view.

    2. Judges should be impartial and obey ethical guidelines. This is the libertarian view.

    3. The judicial code of ethics requires judges relinquish any memberships in discriminatory organization in order to undertake the privilege of being a judge. Nothing wrong with that from the libertarian view.

    Who the real libertarian is in this situation is plain as day. Me.

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    Re: should this judge resign his club membership?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Are you serious? I'm advocating the libertarian position here, and you're advocating what is basically a racist-authoritarian position. AGAIN.

    Let's review real quick:

    1. Being a judge is not a right, it is a privilege. This is the libertarian view.

    2. Judges should be impartial and obey ethical guidelines. This is the libertarian view.

    3. The judicial code of ethics requires judges relinquish any memberships in discriminatory organization in order to undertake the privilege of being a judge. Nothing wrong with that from the libertarian view.

    Who the real libertarian is in this situation is plain as day. Me.
    lets review correctly...

    The Judicial review board examined the case and decided that not only did he not violate the Judicial Code of Ethics but had been advocating for years for more diverse membership. Ah...but thats not good enough...in the zeal to promote your own personal bias you completely overlook the facts and insist he be disbarred...cuz...dangit...you dont like it.


    Joke Incognito....

    Edit: Joke Cognito...nothing covert there...
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    Re: should this judge resign his club membership?

    See, the judiciary code of conduct says that judges can't be members of organizations that discriminate based on race or gender. Since the Belle Meade club discriminates based on race and gender, it's okay.

    In all seriousness though, he should leave the club. It seems like a pretty clear-cut violation of the code of conduct to me.
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    Re: should this judge resign his club membership?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    See, the judiciary code of conduct says that judges can't be members of organizations that discriminate based on race or gender. Since the Belle Meade club discriminates based on race and gender, it's okay.

    In all seriousness though, he should leave the club. It seems like a pretty clear-cut violation of the code of conduct to me.
    Except that a panel of judges as per THE LAW which everyone wants to cite as if they know it reviewed the case and decided he was not violating the law or code of conduct, and was not required to vacate his membership or his judicial position.

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    Re: should this judge resign his club membership?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Oh...hey...even though the Association for Women in Math allows the token male, none of their board members or scholarship recipients are men. Curious. I dont know...Id have to say that since their mission is to promote women in the profession and they exist solely to
    "encourage women and girls to study and to have active careers in the mathematical sciences, and to promote equal opportunity and the equal treatment of women and girls in the mathematical sciences" I'd say their mission was pretty gender biased...and...thats not right...

    Anyone can advocate for any cause they would like. It's not "anti-man" to advocate that women be treated equally and participate equally in a field such as math or business.

    That's the problem that you have.

    Women don't get paid equally to met for equal work. If I advocate for equal pay for equal work, in your mind then, I'm against men. You can't see it as better for both men and women, even though the advocacy is for women. Indeed, the National Organization for Women supported the 2009 Parental Leave Act - advocating for both fathers and mothers to have time off when a new child arrives (either through birth or adoption).

    Sounds pretty equal to me.

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    Re: should this judge resign his club membership?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    See, the judiciary code of conduct says that judges can't be members of organizations that discriminate based on race or gender. Since the Belle Meade club discriminates based on race and gender, it's okay.
    You must be a lawyer!

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