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Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

  • Yes

    Votes: 14 36.8%
  • No

    Votes: 22 57.9%
  • No opinion

    Votes: 2 5.3%

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    38

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Can you imagine yourselves that everybody may wear swastika, laugh about Auschwitz, say "Hail Hitler" and broadcast "Main Kampf" as a positive teaching?
It is impossible and difficult to believe.

Can you imagine Hitler as avatar here?

Socialism - Communism has killed at least five times more as Nazism, but no one communist is punished, the devil's red star continue to be on the Kremlin top, the mummy of Lenin is open to show, socialists are allow to spread their lies without any prohibition in all western countries, moreover some medias air the programs about Lenin, Marx, Mao as a very nice guys, who were only "misunderstand".

It is something wrong here, maybe should begin to condemn Socialism - Communism like Nazism, right?
 
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Perhaps you should stop buying communist Chinese "crap" for a start. ;) To condemn them indeed, so to speak.
 
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Perhaps you should stop buying communist Chinese "crap" for a start. ;) To condemn them indeed, so to speak.

Don't feed the trolls please. Thanks!
 
I don't want to live in a communist or socialist society...but some people do. If they can practice a "live and let live" philosophy I don't really care. Of course, we can't seem to master that mindset, so I can't really hold any other country to a higher standard.
 
Can you imagine yourselves that everybody may wear swastika, laugh about Auschwitz, say "Hail Hitler" and broadcast "Main Kampf" as a positive teaching?
It is impossible and difficult to believe.

Can you imagine Hitler as avatar here?

Socialism - Communism has killed at least five times more as Nazism, but no one communist is punished, the devil's red star continue to be on the Kremlin top, the mummy of Lenin is open to show, socialists are allow to spread their lies without any prohibition in all western countries, moreover some medias air the programs about Lenin, Marx, Mao as a very nice guys, who were only "misunderstand".

It is something wrong here, maybe should begin to condemn Socialism - Communism like Nazism, right?

I had to answer no opinion, because your question has major flaws. One: do I condemn Stalinism? Most certainly. Marxism (in practice, yes. Should be studied and understood by anyone who want to study politics seriously, though.)

But if you're attempting to lump contemporary democratic socialism such as is practiced in most of Scandinavia and other parts of Europe with Communism, then that's why I have a problem with your question.

The despotic regimes of Stalin, Kim, and others are certainly condemnable. Democratic forms of socialism shouldn't be lumped into the same category, however.
 
Can you imagine yourselves that everybody may wear swastika, laugh about Auschwitz, say "Hail Hitler" and broadcast "Main Kampf" as a positive teaching?
It is impossible and difficult to believe.

Can you imagine Hitler as avatar here?

Socialism - Communism has killed at least five times more as Nazism, but no one communist is punished, the devil's red star continue to be on the Kremlin top, the mummy of Lenin is open to show, socialists are allow to spread their lies without any prohibition in all western countries, moreover some medias air the programs about Lenin, Marx, Mao as a very nice guys, who were only "misunderstand".

It is something wrong here, maybe should begin to condemn Socialism - Communism like Nazism, right?

No.

Capitalism has killed just as many, if not more. Take for example children who have been killed from occupational hazards as a result of lack of regulations in work spaces or requirements for safe working conditions because it would raise the prices of goods and services.

So no, socialism and communism should not be condemned like nazism is.
 
If I lived in Sweden, I would not like paying 60% of my income in taxes, but at least I could bitch about it. I could not bitch about the government in Pinochet's Chile, however. I certainly would place the regimes of Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao on the same level as the Nazis, but this does not make all socialism evil incarnate, just a mode of economic production that I don't like.
 
No.

Capitalism has killed just as many, if not more. Take for example children who have been killed from occupational hazards as a result of lack of regulations in work spaces or requirements for safe working conditions because it would raise the prices of goods and services.

So no, socialism and communism should not be condemned like nazism is.

Child labor isn't a very solid argument. Children, elderly, and infirm citizens are working for pennies a day in sweat shops in communist countries all over the world. Most often, they're working in dangerous, unhealthy conditions with few rights.
 
This is a very unintelligent poll.
 
Socialism no. Communism yes.
 
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Child labor isn't a very solid argument. Children, elderly, and infirm citizens are working for pennies a day in sweat shops in communist countries all over the world. Most often, they're working in dangerous, unhealthy conditions with few rights.

Lol, this is the most nonsensical post I've seen in a while.

To the OP: obvi not, because communism is fer cool kidz
 
If I lived in Sweden, I would not like paying 60% of my income in taxes, but at least I could bitch about it. I could not bitch about the government in Pinochet's Chile, however. I certainly would place the regimes of Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao on the same level as the Nazis, but this does not make all socialism evil incarnate, just a mode of economic production that I don't like.

Sweden is not a socialist country, and many European countries are more left wing than Sweden econmically.

Sweden is more a culturally left wing country. For instance you can not bitch about it in public, because you may end up in prison. Like Ake Gren did The Truth Seeker - Swedish pastor sentenced to one month's jail for offending homosexuals
Also, the law doesn't apply equally to all relgions, muslims say **** about homesexuals all the time. And you can't criticize muslims either in Sweden.

Another factor is political correctness. You may be allowed to say you want to restrict immigration, but you will be labed a racist by the media. Immigration to Sweden has been disaster, the immigrants have mostly ended up on welfare and the crime rates has exploded. In fact Sweden crimes rates are higher than the US, but Swedes don't know that because the media hides it. Also, if you are against abortion then you hate women. ;)
 
This is a very unintelligent poll.

What makes a poll "unintelligent", TheDemSocialist? What makes an intelligent poll? Perhaps words themselves can be intelligent or not? What of zucchinis and potatoes? Since they are unique to words and polls because they are living, then assuredly they too can be intelligent? What do you know of intelligence?
 
Would newer and/or more passive concepts of Naziism be acceptable? If not, then why the exception with Communism?
 
Communism has actually killed enough people to make a Nazi blush and socialism is just one-step away from communism. Like Naziism and terrorism they are a failed ideology and belong on the ash-heap of history to be scowled at and pissed upon.
 
Communism has actually killed enough people to make a Nazi blush and socialism is just one-step away from communism. Like Naziism and terrorism they are a failed ideology and belong on the ash-heap of history to be scowled at and pissed upon.

Communism hasn't killed anyone.
 
Communism has actually killed enough people to make a Nazi blush


Communism hasn't killed anyone. It's an ideal. Also, the Bolsheviki were condemned by the majority of their contemporaries; Communists, Anarchists, etc., it was a considerable departure from, what was then, the majority view. Also, even for Lenin, Stalin, Mao, genocide was not a key componant of their ideology. In Naazism, genocide is virtually unavoidable, as it is the explicit goal; non-Aryans must be annihilated.

and socialism is just one-step away from communism.

Not exactly, no.

Like Naziism and terrorism they are a failed ideology and belong on the ash-heap of history to be scowled at and pissed upon.

Terrorism is not an ideology, it is an activity. Incidentally, the most prolific perpetrator of international terrorism is the United States.

Real Socialism, Libertarian Socialism, or something like it has only existed on earth on a few notable occasions. the examples that spring to my mind are the Anarchist strongholds in revolutionary Spain, like Catalonia, and some of the Israeli Kibbutzim, which were structured roughly on a Libertarian Socialist basis. However, even if you count these examples as failures, which I'm not conceding at this moment, that does not mean that Socialism is fundamentally unsustainible.
 
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Would you say the same about Naziism?

Technically, yes. However, the difference is Nazism explicitly exhorts it's adherents to commit genocide.
 
Hmm, Nazism, the specific political philosophy of a particular party, Socialism and Communism, broad-ranging political philosophies with any number of interpretations...

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Perhaps if the OP had said Fascism instead of Nazism, or Stalinism and Maoism instead of Communism and Socialism, there might be a fair comparison. Condemning Communism for what a few tyrannical bastards did is like condemning republicanism because of Iran.
 
Perhaps if the OP had said Fascism instead of Nazism, or Stalinism and Maoism instead of Communism and Socialism, there might be a fair comparison. Condemning Communism for what a few tyrannical bastards did is like condemning republicanism because of Iran.
Nahhh, i think you can fairly condemn Communism on the immorality of taking away the right to property and specific liberties... same with socialism.... where they are inherently immoral for these reasons.
In my opinion, if communism actually did work, i still would condemn it based on the my beliefs of the inherent rights of all people in which the government does not have a right to forbid or waive. Sacrifice for the greater good doesn't cut it for me.
 
Nahhh, i think you can fairly condemn Communism on the immorality of taking away the right to property and specific liberties... same with socialism.... where they are inherently immoral for these reasons.
In my opinion, if communism actually did work, i still would condemn it based on the my beliefs of the inherent rights of all people in which the government does not have a right to forbid or waive. Sacrifice for the greater good doesn't cut it for me.

You can certainly condemn it for that, but you can't condemn it because of Stalin, simply because his view is not reflective of communism as a whole.
 
What makes a poll "unintelligent", TheDemSocialist? What makes an intelligent poll? Perhaps words themselves can be intelligent or not? What of zucchinis and potatoes? Since they are unique to words and polls because they are living, then assuredly they too can be intelligent? What do you know of intelligence?

Lets look no further the the OP.
I will quote it

Can you imagine yourselves that everybody may wear swastika, laugh about Auschwitz, say "Hail Hitler" and broadcast "Main Kampf" as a positive teaching?

Well this is an imaginary world... No real...
It is impossible and difficult to believe.

Can you imagine Hitler as avatar here?
This is reasonable... Yes.

Socialism - Communism
Combining socialism and communism does not make sense.
Communism and socialist are different ideologies.
has killed at least five times more as Nazism,
No socialism and communism have not. Stalinism (red fascism) and state capitalism have. .

but no one communist is punished,
Because this is dumb.Why would we punish someone for following an ideology? People are free to follow Nazism... Its not like we punish them...

the devil's red star continue to be on the Kremlin top,
Seriously?

the mummy of Lenin is open to show,
Yea because its history.. And because the Russians have a very nationalistic spirit.

socialists are allow to spread their lies without any prohibition in all western countries,
Seriously? Are we back to the red scare?

moreover some medias air the programs about Lenin, Marx, Mao as a very nice guys, who were only "misunderstand".
This comes new to me!

It is something wrong here, maybe should begin to condemn Socialism - Communism like Nazism, right?

Well saying communism is condemned here in America and so is socialism....
 
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