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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Logical fallacy.

    I never said that the workplace won't be owned by the workers in socialism.

    I said that socialism is where the means of production is owned by the state. This is genereally what happends, because someone got to to look over it. He said wrong, and that socialism is only about the workplace owned by the workers, so he obviously don't know his own ideology. In fact, there are more to socialism than just workplaces owned by it's workers. Because it's supposed to be commenly owned across the country/community, and across all sectors.
    You do realize there is something called decentralization... Riiiight?


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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Your definition does not bring the state into it, that is your interpretation of it.
    No, but the definition doesn't have workplace in it either. Who did you side with?

    In fact, you will have to have a state to have socialism in practice, because somebody got to control the economy or we will end up with anarchy. We do not have to have democratic controlled workplaces to have socialism and socialism is a lot more than that.

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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    No, but the definition doesn't have workplace in it either. Who did you side with?

    In fact, you will have to have a state to have socialism in practice, because somebody got to control the economy or we will end up with anarchy. We do not have to have democratic controlled workplaces to have socialism and socialism is a lot more than that.
    Obviously, I side with the person who can understand a simple definition. So in this case, it would be TheDemSocialist.

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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    You do realize there is something called decentralization... Riiiight?
    You do realize that decentralization is not a requirement for socialism?

    You do realize that such a system would probably end up in anarchy? Because why should you be able to work without a state when there hasn't been any functioning country without a state.

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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    You do realize that decentralization is not a requirement for socialism?

    You do realize that such a system would probably end up in anarchy? Because why should you be able to work without a state when there hasn't been any functioning country without a state.
    Whether or not the system would work has nothing to do with its definition, this is where you are going astray.

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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Obviously, I side with the person who can understand a simple definition. So in this case, it would be TheDemSocialist.
    I lost all respect for you know.

    Instead of coming with "I am right, because I said so statement". Tell me where it says that democratic controlled workplaces are a requirement in that definiton?

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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    You do realize that decentralization is not a requirement for socialism?

    You do realize that such a system would probably end up in anarchy? Because why should you be able to work without a state when there hasn't been any functioning country without a state.
    No duh its not.
    How would it end up in anarchy? We have decentralization with capitalism is that anarchy?
    How would this be bad? Have the workers have a say in the workplace? How would this end up in "anarchy"?
    Uhhh there would be a state.... Where did you even get the idea there would be no state?


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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    I lost all respect for you know.

    Instead of coming with "I am right, because I said so statement". Tell me where it says that democratic controlled workplaces are a requirement in that definiton?

    It does not... Because socialism is a broad ideology...
    There are many forms of socialism...


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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    I lost all respect for you know.
    Often a hallmark is a good argument

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Instead of coming with "I am right, because I said so statement". Tell me where it says that democratic controlled workplaces are a requirement in that definiton?
    Well, all I can say at this point is, if you can't understand the words you posted, you probably should not have posted them. Disagreeing with my logic is one thing, but failure to understand it at all, is another.

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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Ah yes...
    Love it when i hear that talking point "communism killed people, and socialism is just like communism...

    Communism didn't kill anyone, people killed people...

    If we use stalin as an example (a mass murdering, paranoid physchopath) who wasn't a true communist and neither was his country... Then communism really wasn't the problem. Communism doesn't direct people to be killed nessecarily unless one counts that violent overthrow of those pesky rich people.

    But i don't remember any direction in the communist manifesto to create a cult of personality around yourself, purposefully starve a country (Ukraine) and execute or transport to the gulags a sizable chunk of your population....

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