I agree there's no intelligent conversation to be had with someone that makes the outrageous claims you are.Originally Posted by The Baron
There aren't any "socialist hellholes".Originally Posted by Gipper
FTFYAccording to anyone on the dumb side of center, anyone who dies from anything remotely considered a natural cause died of communism.
LOL yes people require incentives to "do the right thing" that's why the financial crisis happened right?Communism is the spirit of anti-competition. To think that people would always "do the right thing" without incentivization is just downright stupid.
LOL they aren't good for much aside from cold war propagandizing.Originally Posted by Lucky Dan
A number of economic historians have applied really good statistical approaches to this period which, in conjunction with archival evidence, have pretty much demolished the old figures of 20+ million deaths ascribed by Conquest and his ilk to the Stalin period.
Today the generally accepted range (largely formulated by statistical or economic historians such as Nove, Ellman, RW Davies and Wheatcroft) tends to be around the 10 million mark for the period 1927-38. Of this figure around 1-1.5 million are believed to be the result of direct repression (ie, execution or death in prison) with the remaining 7-8 million being due to famine pre-1936.
Of course the entire point of this isn't to downplay what happened (which I'm sure someone is about to accuse me of doing), but rather to counter the playing up of these historical developments for propaganda purposes.
Rule by authoritarians is a tautology. Rule is always authoritarian, by the very definition of the word - rule of authority.
But even your example does not necessarily lead to rule by authoritarians