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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Are you serious?

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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Child labor isn't a very solid argument. Children, elderly, and infirm citizens are working for pennies a day in sweat shops in communist countries all over the world. Most often, they're working in dangerous, unhealthy conditions with few rights.
    You're right about that.

    But that's not the point of my post.

    The point of my post is more "Well, if we condemn socialism and communism like nazism because of all the negatives, then we'd have to condemn capitalism because of all the negatives as well."

    Also, to focus on despotic communism used in Russia and Asia is to ignore the cases of democratic socialism used in other areas such as in Europe and Scandanavia where they haven't used gulags or done pogroms against its people.

    The question is without any nuance whatsoever and therefore is a faulty argument.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Child labor isn't a very solid argument. Children, elderly, and infirm citizens are working for pennies a day in sweat shops in communist countries all over the world. Most often, they're working in dangerous, unhealthy conditions with few rights.
    Yep, if the pendulum swings too far in either direction, people tend to get screwed over.

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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Also, to focus on despotic communism used in Russia and Asia is to ignore the cases of democratic socialism used in other areas such as in Europe and Scandanavia where they haven't used gulags or done pogroms against its people.
    Neither Europe nor Scandinavia has democratic socialism.

    Actually, as far as I know, we have never had democratic socialism. Simply because democratic socialism would reduce people standard of living if ever implemented in a developed country. If implemented in a poor country, then it will just end up corrupt.

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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    A problem I see in this debate is the lack of properly defined terms. What exactly is "socialism", and what is "communism"?

    Many Americans are used to lumping all kind of concepts together under the label "socialism", including i.e. German "social democracy".

    But historically, German social democrats, who still were Marxist at that time, were the strongest force in favor of a democratic, constitutional state and the most bitter enemy of authoritarians on all sides. The Marxist German social democrats fought monarchists, communists and Nazis alike and were the only party to vote against Hitler's Enabling Act in 1933. The Social Democrats established the free Weimar Republic in 1919.

    If you asked a communist/revolutionary Marxist in the 1920s who is their worst enemy, they wouldn't have said "Nazis", "monarchists" or "capitalists", but "social democrats". Commies bitterly hated the Marxist Social Democrats. And no other party/movement stood so strongly in favor of freedom, democracy and constitutional values as the Marxist Social Democrats (in Germany).

    Yet Americans lump it together with anti-constitutional, revolutionary Marxists and communists under the label "socialism". That doesn't compute for me. I'd say not Marxism or socialism is the problem, it never was, but the attitude the respective party/group has towards constitutional values, democracy and freedom. Some socialists are staunch supporters of freedom, others are not. And those who are are better than righties who don't support freedom.
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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    "Communism hasn't killed anyone." - Khayembii Communique

    "Communism hasn't killed anyone." - NGNM85

    Oh, well. No intelligent conversation to be had here.
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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Is it not enough that millions have died under the names of both Naziism and Communism?

    If not, why...?

    Belief truly is the death of intelligence.

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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Neither Europe nor Scandinavia has democratic socialism.

    Actually, as far as I know, we have never had democratic socialism. Simply because democratic socialism would reduce people standard of living if ever implemented in a developed country. If implemented in a poor country, then it will just end up corrupt.
    I would like to see the knowledge behind this...


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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Is it not enough that millions have died under the names of both Naziism and Communism?

    If not, why...?

    Belief truly is the death of intelligence.
    People die in any system that places ideology over people.

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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    People die in any system that places ideology over people.
    Does that make it right, megaprogram?

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