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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    It shouldn't be blameless.
    You think that. Does everyone, though? *Looks around*

    If people seem to keep dying under a persistent concept, perhaps it is not such a good thing?

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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    You think that. Does everyone, though? *Looks around*

    If people seem to keep dying under a persistent concept, perhaps it is not such a good thing?
    Well I said two posts back that I believe that both the ideology and the people who follow and attempt to implement it are guilty to some extent.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Concepts are blameless. Like all inanimate objects, holding them responsible is crazy.

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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Concepts are blameless. Like all inanimate objects, holding them responsible is crazy.
    So Nazism as an ideology is blameless, but Nazis themselves hold all the responsibility?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    So Nazism as an ideology is blameless, but Nazis themselves hold all the responsibility?
    You beat me to it. Kudos.

    I agree, as well, that concepts like communism and communists are not blameless and do have terrible and bloody flaws.

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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Yes. Nazism is just a stupid idea. Stupid ideas don't hurt people, people hurt people.

    Do you seriously want to go down the road of banning stupid ideas, because they are supposedly "dangerous" and "responsible"? Next you'll burn books.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 05-19-11 at 01:15 PM.

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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Yes. Nazism is just a stupid idea. Stupid ideas don't hurt people, people hurt people.

    Do you seriously want to go down the road of banning stupid ideas, because they are supposedly "dangerous" and "responsible"? Next you'll burn books, because they hurt people.
    So the idea of "kill certain people" is not dangerous?

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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Yes. Nazism is just a stupid idea. Stupid ideas don't hurt people, people hurt people.

    Do you seriously want to go down the road of banning stupid ideas, because they are supposedly "dangerous" and "responsible"? Next you'll burn books, because they hurt people.
    People kill people, but stupid ideas help.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Alright, then we should suppose the concept of Naziism is not dangerous. Or terrorism.

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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    People kill people, but stupid ideas help.
    Ideas move people. Whether voluntary or no.

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