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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Someone already added it to wikipedia:

    "Nazism (Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism; alternatively spelled Naziism[1]) was the ideology and practice of the Nazi Party and of Nazi Germany.[2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9] It was a unique variety of fascism that involved biological racism and antisemitism.[10] Nazism presented itself as politically syncretic, incorporating policies, tactics and philosophies from right- and left-wing ideologies; in practice, Nazism was a far right form of politics."
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    I didn't ask you to provide evidence that nazism is a form of facism, it is. I wrote above why it was not a form of socialism. I also described what kind of economic system it was similar to, which is social democracy. However in terms of social values, it is quite different.

    I asked you to change the definition of socialism, because the definition of socialism does not require democracy or a non-oppressive government.

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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    I didn't ask you to provide evidence that nazism is a form of facism, it is.
    That was my only claim.

    I asked you to change the definition of socialism, because the definition of socialism does not require democracy or a non-oppressive government.
    I think you have me confused with someone else. I never defined socialism.
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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons View Post
    It is something wrong here, maybe should begin to condemn Socialism - Communism like Nazism, right?
    Only when conservatism and religious conservatism is condemned even more.
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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Only when conservatism and religious conservatism is condemned even more.
    Sounds like CENTRIST talk.
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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Sounds like CENTRIST talk.
    Fair is fair.. when you lot condemn 5000 years of conservative and religious conservative mass murder then I expect the "left" to do the same about their own people.
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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    No.

    Capitalism has killed just as many, if not more. Take for example children who have been killed from occupational hazards as a result of lack of regulations in work spaces or requirements for safe working conditions because it would raise the prices of goods and services.

    So no, socialism and communism should not be condemned like nazism is.
    You could not be more wrong in your guesstimate.

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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Main Kampf?

    The poll is based upon an ignorance held by the far-right.

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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    I've had this debate before with a conservative pen pal.

    It's like comparing Ted Bundy (communism) to Jeffrey Dahlmer (nazism) and trying to claim Bundy was more evil than Dahlmer simply because his kill ratio was higher.

    Bundy may have killed more in numbers, but the methods he used were not as horrendous as Dahlmer, who mutilated and raped the corpses. But still, it's like beating a dead horse. They're both insanely despicable and inherently prone to incredibly horrible policy.

    And for those of you who have forgotten, socialism is a mere transition period between capitalism and communsim. This is why the Soviet Union was called the Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics. In Marx's original view, communism was the end result of this evolutionary cycle. It was the utopian stateless society. Socialism, on the other hand, was the implemented state-level overhaul that forcibly transitioned a capitalistic society into the cycle which would (ideally) evolve into a stateless utopia known as communism. Take a look at Lenin's political policies. Lenin promoted a mixed economy with both private business and public interventionism.

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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    I've had this debate before with a conservative pen pal.

    It's like comparing Ted Bundy (communism) to Jeffrey Dahlmer (nazism) and trying to claim Bundy was more evil than Dahlmer simply because his kill ratio was higher.

    Bundy may have killed more in numbers, but the methods he used were not as horrendous as Dahlmer, who mutilated and raped the corpses. But still, it's like beating a dead horse. They're both insanely despicable and inherently prone to incredibly horrible policy.

    And for those of you who have forgotten, socialism is a mere transition period between capitalism and communsim. This is why the Soviet Union was called the Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics. In Marx's original view, communism was the end result of this evolutionary cycle. It was the utopian stateless society. Socialism, on the other hand, was the implemented state-level overhaul that forcibly transitioned a capitalistic society into the cycle which would (ideally) evolve into a stateless utopia known as communism. Take a look at Lenin's political policies. Lenin promoted a mixed economy with both private business and public interventionism.
    If we were going to go with Marx's view, then it would happen naturally and Lenin/Stalin forcing the matter was the wrong thing to do.

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    Re: Should Socialism - Communism be condemned like Nazim?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    I've had this debate before with a conservative pen pal.

    It's like comparing Ted Bundy (communism) to Jeffrey Dahlmer (nazism) and trying to claim Bundy was more evil than Dahlmer simply because his kill ratio was higher.

    Bundy may have killed more in numbers, but the methods he used were not as horrendous as Dahlmer, who mutilated and raped the corpses. But still, it's like beating a dead horse. They're both insanely despicable and inherently prone to incredibly horrible policy.

    And for those of you who have forgotten, socialism is a mere transition period between capitalism and communsim. This is why the Soviet Union was called the Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics. In Marx's original view, communism was the end result of this evolutionary cycle. It was the utopian stateless society. Socialism, on the other hand, was the implemented state-level overhaul that forcibly transitioned a capitalistic society into the cycle which would (ideally) evolve into a stateless utopia known as communism. Take a look at Lenin's political policies. Lenin promoted a mixed economy with both private business and public interventionism.
    That's true, that's the definition of "socialism" from a communist/orthodox Marxist point of view.

    Problem is, other groups, even many which are not Marxist, use the label "socialism" too and don't share this definition. Most "socialist" parties and movements in Europe these days, for example, are not Marxist anymore, or at least they're not interested in communism. Think of the British Labor Party. Or German Social Democrats. Or the Skandinavian Social Democrats.

    So technically, you are right, but only as far as orthodox communist Marxists are concerned (those that existed in the East Bloc pre-1990, or in Cuba).
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