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    Re: Should Man Who Attacked Woman with Acid Be Blinded by Acid as Punishment?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    A man should always do what is positive, what accomplishes an improvement.
    Revenge does not do this.
    He should be "put away", in order to protect society.
    put away from who? you are hiding them from your own eyes, but we have to hire people to take care of their needs. Those people aren't being protected, quite the opposite!

    if they are so great a concern that we must protect society from them, then lets protect all of society and end their life.

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    Re: Should Man Who Attacked Woman with Acid Be Blinded by Acid as Punishment?

    This is an interesting thread. On the one hand there are people saying this could not and should not happen in the West, but there are a lot of people torn. There seems to be a certain appeal to certain people to an-eye-for-an-eye punishments, but they know it's barbaric and, and, it's Iran doing it.

    I think Goshin and Viktor's responses were interesting too. The idea that as a form of punishment this neither heals nor compensates anyone, it is retribution, nothing more. Very similar in fact to the death penalty. In recent DP debates the pro-DP lobby has rested on an argument that says that far from being revenge or a deterrent, the DP serves its purpose because it takes a killer out of the game, preventing them from killing again. That is exactly what this punishment does too. This guy, with acid-destroyed eyes, will never maim another woman again. In what way is approving of this punishment different from approving of the DP?

    Another pro-DP argument, Viktor's I believe, is that murderers have proved themselves unfit to remain in society, hence society has the right to remove them. As society has the power to do whatever it wishes to an individual, what makes this case substantially different from the DP?
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    Re: Should Man Who Attacked Woman with Acid Be Blinded by Acid as Punishment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Do think that this man didn't know what would happen if he were caught? He committed this crime because he thought he could get away with it.

    And I'm not talking about wasting his life, which I consider worthless. It's a matter of wasting the extra resources he would require because of his disability.
    What makes you believe that society would expend any resources on him, blind or otherwise? I have a feeling Iran offers precious few benefits to convicted criminals, blind or otherwise. If they don't, what's your objection?
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    Re: Should Man Who Attacked Woman with Acid Be Blinded by Acid as Punishment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I think Goshin and Viktor's responses were interesting too. The idea that as a form of punishment this neither heals nor compensates anyone, it is retribution, nothing more. Very similar in fact to the death penalty.
    I agree that the death penalty is not restorative, either for the criminal or the victim. I view it as society cutting its losses, in that it prevents the criminal from doing more damage and does not expend any more resources for his benefit. This punishment-- which I am less opposed to than you imply-- inflicts further harm and leaves us with two people society must provide for, rather than the one left by the initial attack. Yes, I do consider this exercise wasteful and pointless, but that's really about as far as my disapproval goes; I feel the same way about a good number of things our government does.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Another pro-DP argument, Viktor's I believe, is that murderers have proved themselves unfit to remain in society, hence society has the right to remove them. As society has the power to do whatever it wishes to an individual, what makes this case substantially different from the DP?
    No matter what terrible things a man has done in his life, I believe that the least that anyone deserves is a clean death; let him face his judgment in the afterlife, then. This is cruelty for cruelty's sake, and the only argument I can find in favor of it is that the victim wants her revenge and she deserves to have it. Most "civilized" people reject such notions, and I find it curious how people can stand to condemn such things when Iran does it, and then wish for our own government to do the same whenever someone hurts one of our women or children.

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    Re: Should Man Who Attacked Woman with Acid Be Blinded by Acid as Punishment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    What makes you believe that society would expend any resources on him, blind or otherwise? I have a feeling Iran offers precious few benefits to convicted criminals, blind or otherwise. If they don't, what's your objection?
    Government or no government, the Iranian people are not just going to allow someone to starve to death in the streets. Someone will be taking care of him. Perhaps he will go on to serve some purpose to society, after all, but I wouldn't count on it.

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    Re: Should Man Who Attacked Woman with Acid Be Blinded by Acid as Punishment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Government or no government, the Iranian people are not just going to allow someone to starve to death in the streets. Someone will be taking care of him.
    Perhaps someone would take pity on him, but I wouldn't count on it.
    Perhaps he will go on to serve some purpose to society, after all, but I wouldn't count on it.
    Ah, so perhaps he should be executed?
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    Re: Should Man Who Attacked Woman with Acid Be Blinded by Acid as Punishment?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    put away from who? you are hiding them from your own eyes, but we have to hire people to take care of their needs. Those people aren't being protected, quite the opposite!

    if they are so great a concern that we must protect society from them, then lets protect all of society and end their life.
    Tempting, very tempting to do this and save the tax payers money.

    And this used to be my position...a death for a death..
    Now I favor that a prison be self-sufficient, the Chinese seem to do this....But like anything else, only positive end results are of value. And this is difficult to achieve.
    Legalizing some "recreational drugs" will help - this should have been done decades ago...
    Are we saying that our prison system is NOT protecting society ???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Perhaps someone would take pity on him, but I wouldn't count on it.

    Ah, so perhaps he should be executed?
    He is as good as executed if he is homeless in the streets - anywhere - he'll end up inside a dumpster sooner or later..
    Has anyone ever done a census on the homeless ??

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    Re: Should Man Who Attacked Woman with Acid Be Blinded by Acid as Punishment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Ah, so perhaps he should be executed?
    Yes. In addition to being more efficient, I'm more comfortable with the State killing people than crippling them.

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    Re: Should Man Who Attacked Woman with Acid Be Blinded by Acid as Punishment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Yes. In addition to being more efficient, I'm more comfortable with the State killing people than crippling them.
    So, I guess you're saying that the comfort of the individual citizen should be a major determinant of judicial process. If so, that's pretty f*****d up. If not, what criteria should be used in deciding appropriate punishments? And not just for the more heinous crimes.
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