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    Re: Mandated breathalyzers in cars?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Breathalyzers could presumably be designed to check temperature and CO2 content before giving a pass.



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    Re: Mandated breathalyzers in cars?

    I don't think you can get the gas ratio so easily. You can store and reheat air or piss but not breath.
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    Re: Mandated breathalyzers in cars?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    "Slavery"? Give me a break. Is it slavery for the government to take away your god-given right to drive on the left side of the road too?

    A breathalyzer would just be something you have to do in order to start your car. Considering that you're driving on government-funded roads and you're in close proximity to other motorists/passengers, you absolutely should have to conform to acceptable standards of safety. And if breathalyzers could reduce the number of drunk-driving fatalities without triggering lots of false positives, they absolutely would be worth the cost.
    Taxpayer funded, I pay for those roads. Why not something that records the results and can be checked by cops? Why not something which can transmit those results to the police should you fail too often? Hmm? Tired driving is now on par with drunk driving for fatalities, texting and driving is well more dangerous. But we're caught in this DUI is the devil sort of stuff and running off on our righteous crusades against it without thinking of the negative consequences. The encroachment on privacy, constant monitoring by the authorities, and price of the device and its monthly fees is too much for this result. Drunk driving causes something like 30% of the deaths (and that number is probably slightly exaggerated as they use data for anyone with BAC in it greater than 0), there's a good 70% left to try to deal with. And while for certain age groups, it can be one of the leading causes of death (dependent upon personal health), it's still something which the vast majority of people do not encounter. The probability of the accident does not justify extensive and aggressive policing methods against the People.

    BTW, if you wanted this in a car, don't get a vanilla shake and try to drive right away.
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    Re: Mandated breathalyzers in cars?

    We'll ban vanilla shakes. Problem solved.

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    Re: Mandated breathalyzers in cars?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I don't think you can get the gas ratio so easily.
    Yeah, it would be tough. So would be the broad spectrum analyzer necessary to do what you claim to do. A temperature gauge, sure. But a broadband molecular spectroscopy set up...not so much. The handheld devices they use for roadside are calibrated for alcohol and even that isn't the best measurement equipment for the job. It's why those results are not admissible in court; you have to use the much more sophisticated gas chromatograph in the station. Plus these things hit plenty of false positives.
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    Re: Mandated breathalyzers in cars?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Taxpayer funded, I pay for those roads. Why not something that records the results and can be checked by cops? Why not something which can transmit those results to the police should you fail too often? Hmm?
    Because that truly WOULD be a Big Brother approach, and would constitute illegal search and seizure. Whereas a breathalyzer that you had to pass for your car to start would not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari
    Tired driving is now on par with drunk driving for fatalities, texting and driving is well more dangerous.
    The technology exists to monitor if you are driving while drunk. As far as I know, there are no such inventions (yet) to do the same for tired drivers, or drivers who are texting. If that technology is developed and becomes relatively cheap, I might well support the implementation of those things too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari
    But we're caught in this DUI is the devil sort of stuff and running off on our righteous crusades against it without thinking of the negative consequences. The encroachment on privacy, constant monitoring by the authorities, and price of the device and its monthly fees is too much for this result.
    As long as the results of the breathalyzer are not reported anywhere, the "encroachment on privacy" and "constant monitoring by authorities" arguments don't fly. So that leaves us with the price. It's rather subjective whether it's worth the cost, but let's frame it this way: Automobile accidents are one of the ten leading causes of death in the United States, and a good many of them are due to drunk driving. Approximately 11,000 people in the US die every year because of alcohol-related accidents (and many thousands of others are injured). As such, the expense would seem to me to be well worth it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari
    Drunk driving causes something like 30% of the deaths (and that number is probably slightly exaggerated as they use data for anyone with BAC in it greater than 0), there's a good 70% left to try to deal with.
    Are you suggesting that a 30% reduction in automobile fatalities would not be worth pursuing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari
    And while for certain age groups, it can be one of the leading causes of death (dependent upon personal health), it's still something which the vast majority of people do not encounter.
    The same can be said of virtually ANYTHING that kills people: most people will die of something else. That doesn't change the fact that automobile accidents (and specifically alcohol-related automobile accidents) are one of the leading causes of death.
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    Re: Mandated breathalyzers in cars?

    Rather than a breathalizer, why not a GPS? Think about it: The highway patrol could sit in a booth somewhere, and know just how fast every car was going and where. They could send speeding tickets in the mail. They could coordinate it by computer with traffic lights, and catch every red light runner. If a car was stolen, they'd be able to pinpoint just where it is and catch the perps red handed. It would make the roads much safer.

    Is that too big brotherish for anyone?
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    Re: Mandated breathalyzers in cars?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Rather than a breathalizer, why not a GPS? Think about it: The highway patrol could sit in a booth somewhere, and know just how fast every car was going and where. They could send speeding tickets in the mail. They could coordinate it by computer with traffic lights, and catch every red light runner. If a car was stolen, they'd be able to pinpoint just where it is and catch the perps red handed. It would make the roads much safer.

    Is that too big brotherish for anyone?
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    Re: Mandated breathalyzers in cars?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Because that truly WOULD be a Big Brother approach, and would constitute illegal search and seizure. Whereas a breathalyzer that you had to pass for your car to start would not.
    Yes, because the government is such a self-limiting force. HAHAHAHAHAHA. Give them an inch, they steal a mile. I can see the same arguments you're using now used to authorize constant monitoring techiniques. The small increase in safety is not worth our rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The technology exists to monitor if you are driving while drunk. As far as I know, there are no such inventions (yet) to do the same for tired drivers, or drivers who are texting. If that technology is developed and becomes relatively cheap, I might well support the implementation of those things too.
    So because we have more technology, that excuses more invasive forms of monitoring. Great. Because tech will only get better with time and easier to impliment. I don't think I like where your argument goes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    As long as the results of the breathalyzer are not reported anywhere, the "encroachment on privacy" and "constant monitoring by authorities" arguments don't fly. So that leaves us with the price. It's rather subjective whether it's worth the cost, but let's frame it this way: Automobile accidents are one of the ten leading causes of death in the United States, and a good many of them are due to drunk driving. Approximately 11,000 people in the US die every year because of alcohol-related accidents (and many thousands of others are injured). As such, the expense would seem to me to be well worth it.
    And to me, it's too much. There is no way to guarantee that it won't be used in the manners you don't like. It's nothing more than a stepping stone of government power grab and if you give them power, they will take more. The history of mankind is rife with data on the natural course of governments.

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    Are you suggesting that a 30% reduction in automobile fatalities would not be worth pursuing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The same can be said of virtually ANYTHING that kills people: most people will die of something else. That doesn't change the fact that automobile accidents (and specifically alcohol-related automobile accidents) are one of the leading causes of death.
    In certain age brackets, yes. It's not the overall killer (which is heart disease currently followed by obesity related diseases). All men die, not all men die free.
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    Re: Mandated breathalyzers in cars?

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