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Who do you think will win the Republican nomination?

Who do you think will win the Republican nomination?


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Can't speak for the Christian Right because I'm not one, but my issue with Clinton wasn't the infedelity. While I think its incredibly beneficial and preferable to have a President that shows a good example (even if its just outwardly) of morality, its not a large basis for my likes or dislikes of a politician.

My issue with Clinton was far more the use of his position of power with someone that was a subordinant. Its similar to how I wouldn't expect my boss to be fired if he had an affair with a chick from a bar, but if he got the receptionist to get him a hummer under his desk while at work I'd expect him to get canned. My issues with Clinton and Monica was less about the blowjob itself and more about the who, where, and when the blowjob took place.

And then you have the whole perjury thing, but that's a seperate issue.

Admittedly, for the religious right, it likely was much more based around the cheating. But just wanted to give a different veiw point of it from the right.

My issue with that situation was more about his lying about the issue and the stances his adminstration took against appointing people to high ranking positions based on prior infidelity....while he was doing interns in his office.
 
Barb, Im of the opinion there isnt as many teaparty votes as you think. I may very well be wrong but I believe most republican voters are more moderate and its just the teaparty is making the most noise. Alot of the teaparty initial support <babyboomers> are no longer on board.

I'm still of the belief that if Barb is right, and he continues to test as well as he has thus far, he can blow past all the objections. And on the same note as the term of the thread at this point - they've been married for 1) crazy lots of years and 2) he loves, respects and protects his wife.
 
Only the left would read anything else into it.

Only - really? A quick board search would bring up a whole lot of posts of people yelping about Obama getting elected BECAUSE he's black. Not 'in spite of.' And I'm pretty sure it wasn't the Dems making said accusations.
 
I do not think that the inner details of the Daniels marriage have a thing to do with if he would make a good president. I strongly suspect that Mrs. Daniels does NOT want anybody looking into the specific details of her past and feels that it would not be the best of things should those details come out. If Daniels is indeed the protective husband that some feel he is, I also suspect that is one reason why he would not run for president.
 
I do not think that the inner details of the Daniels marriage have a thing to do with if he would make a good president. I strongly suspect that Mrs. Daniels does NOT want anybody looking into the specific details of her past and feels that it would not be the best of things should those details come out. If Daniels is indeed the protective husband that some feel he is, I also suspect that is one reason why he would not run for president.

I think you have hit the nail on the proverbial head.
 
Yeah, see. Will, you know better than that. What did they teach you about absolutes v generalities in college?

good point. the vast majority of people couldn't care less about his race. in the meantime, democrats in general care far more about his race than republicans in general.
 
I do not think that the inner details of the Daniels marriage have a thing to do with if he would make a good president. I strongly suspect that Mrs. Daniels does NOT want anybody looking into the specific details of her past and feels that it would not be the best of things should those details come out.

what, you mean like on their Wiki Page? it's not exactly like this is some kind of state secret if we are discussing it on an open internet forum. there aren't any other "details to come out" that would make the situation worse or better that I am aware of - just the amount of bashing she will receive during the campaign.
 
good point. the vast majority of people couldn't care less about his race. in the meantime, democrats in general care far more about his race than republicans in general.

Proof? With more letters.
 
:shrug: admittedly it's limited, but the first thing that pops to mind is that there have been, on this forum, a couple of threads now devoted to Cain. his race isn't a point of conversation until someone like haymarket comes in.

but the democrats tendency to appeal to identity groups - in comparison with the republicans tendency to appeal to ideological groups is pretty well established. Who do Republicans get accused of pandering to? social conservatives. Democrats? racial minorities.
 
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Oh. I thought you were talking about America in general, with pie charts and everything. ;)
 
eh, more the actual interactive and engaged members of the various parties - the literati, the policy and political managers, and then insomniacally engaged (that's us) :).


in general, however, americans (at least profess) to care less about race:

Gallup: Race not important to voters

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as you can see, about 6% of whites and 2% of blacks were less likely to vote for Obama due to his race, but 5% of whites and 19% of blacks were more likely to vote for him over the issue. as measured by the poll, blacks were more than three times likely to exhibit a racist preference for Obama than whites were against him. So the claim that 'racism' as a political facet is solidly in the Republican camp and solidly anti-black is, in fact, rather the antithesis of the actual extent to which race plays a role in electoral politics.

so i stand by my claim - overall the left cares more about race than the right does.
 
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Can't speak for the Christian Right because I'm not one, but my issue with Clinton wasn't the infedelity. While I think its incredibly beneficial and preferable to have a President that shows a good example (even if its just outwardly) of morality, its not a large basis for my likes or dislikes of a politician.

My issue with Clinton was far more the use of his position of power with someone that was a subordinant. Its similar to how I wouldn't expect my boss to be fired if he had an affair with a chick from a bar, but if he got the receptionist to get him a hummer under his desk while at work I'd expect him to get canned. My issues with Clinton and Monica was less about the blowjob itself and more about the who, where, and when the blowjob took place.

And then you have the whole perjury thing, but that's a seperate issue.

Admittedly, for the religious right, it likely was much more based around the cheating. But just wanted to give a different veiw point of it from the right.

I see it as small potatoes compared to committing a country to an indefinite war in Iraq under false pretenses.

This pretty much sums it up for me: (Warning - Adult language)

 
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Yeah, see. Will, you know better than that. What did they teach you about absolutes v generalities in college?

He has to say that. Mitch Daniels is his guy. :)
This should be a fun competition once he gets in the race. (if he does) I think Cain's going to surprise everyone. ( well, not everyone) Some of us will just say "told ya so" LOL
 
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so i stand by my claim - overall the left cares more about race than the right does.

That must explain why the GOP conventions are so woefully lacking in African American participants - they just don't care.

And it further explains why so few GOP office holders are African Americans - they just don't care.

And it further explains why so few African Americans are attracted to the GOP ideology and platform - they just don't care.

And what they do not care about is simple. Whites who run the GOP simply do not care to do anything to make themselves more accessible, more friendly or more acceptable to African Americans. They want it that way and are more comfortable with it that way. They do not care to change.

So cpwill - your word CARE - fits perfectly here.
 
I'm all for Herman Cain. Who else am I going to support? Romney is just boring and he isn't very right-wing either. I rather have Obama for another 4 years, so he can feel the effect of his policies. We need someone that people can feel proud about. Ron Paul won't win because he is too old and too idealistic. Tim Pawlenty is also boring and looks like another classical politicians. For instance they interviewed him about the presidential race and he started talking about crisis management. Donald Trump is a joke candidate and Sarah Palin has too much baggage.

What's this 'we' bit? I'm pretty sure you aren't American. What's your support for him going to involve?

I think the GOP will end up with a compromise candidate, and I think that will probably be Mitch Daniels with someone a little more moderate, like Pawlenty or Gingrich, as a running mate. I wouldn't put my money on it though, I find US pres campaigns very unpredictable. I certainly won't be supporting anyone.
 
I wonder if Obama runs unopposed for the democrat nomination like bush did for his second run.

OT, I know.
 
That must explain why the GOP conventions are so woefully lacking in African American participants - they just don't care.

:shrug: perhaps so. we expect our people to be conservatives, we couldn't care less if they are indian, or black, or white, or asian.
Many Democrats, however,as you point out, care very deeply about these things. which is why I suppose such a larger percentage of them made a racist decision when polled.

And it further explains why so few GOP office holders are African Americans - they just don't care.

yup. we don't care what the color of your skin is. Allan West is awesome because he's an incredibly intelligent man who dedicated decades to defending the nation, can speak inspirationally, and is determined along with the rest of us to save the country from the fiscally suicidal status quo. the "omg we got a nice clean black guy and he doesn't speak negro unless he wants to" factor isn't there for us like it was for Harry Reid and friends.

And it further explains why so few African Americans are attracted to the GOP ideology and platform - they just don't care.

yup. race-baiting, like demagoguery, works.

And what they do not care about is simple. Whites who run the GOP simply do not care to do anything to make themselves more accessible, more friendly or more acceptable to African Americans.

not any more or less so than whites, asians, or anyone else. :) Content of their Character, I believe, is the phrase for how we look at ourselves and others. but have a good time continuing to group and address people off of the color of their skin. ;)
 
[Gotta love Lefty's...here's Cornel West on Obama ;)

Princeton University professor Cornel West is as much a celebrity as scholar. He also happens to be African-American, and claims to be a friend of Barack Obama.

Particularly, in a recent interview with Chris Hedges, he refers to Obama as a “black mascot” of Wall Street, then offers a variation that he is a “black puppet” of “corporate plutocrats.” Note the stress on “black” in both slurs. Racial designations are very important to how West views America.

and....

Obama, deep Dr. West tells us, “has a certain fear of free black men.” Also, this: “[Obama] feels most comfortable with upper middle-class white and Jewish men who consider themselves very smart, very savvy and very effective in getting what they want.”

Rex Murphy: Cornel West’s deep personal grudge against President Obama | Full Comment | National Post

These people are disgusting.

:shrug: perhaps so. we expect our people to be conservatives, we couldn't care less if they are indian, or black, or white, or asian.
Many Democrats, however,as you point out, care very deeply about these things. which is why I suppose such a larger percentage of them made a racist decision when polled.



yup. we don't care what the color of your skin is. Allan West is awesome because he's an incredibly intelligent man who dedicated decades to defending the nation, can speak inspirationally, and is determined along with the rest of us to save the country from the fiscally suicidal status quo. the "omg we got a nice clean black guy and he doesn't speak negro unless he wants to" factor isn't there for us like it was for Harry Reid and friends.



yup. race-baiting, like demagoguery, works.



not any more or less so than whites, asians, or anyone else. :) Content of their Character, I believe, is the phrase for how we look at ourselves and others. but have a good time continuing to group and address people off of the color of their skin. ;)
 
I see it as small potatoes compared to committing a country to an indefinite war in Iraq under false pretenses.]

I respectfully disagree. If it was provable bush knowingly and purposefully lied, then perhaps. But thats nothing but speculation, not fact. It's un questionable fact that Clinton messed around with a subordinate.

Ultimately, based on facts not opinion/speculation, Iraq was a policy decision, Monica wasn't. I have am more forgiving of policy mistakes in terms of how much of an issue I have with a president on a personal level rather than ethical issues. Just. My take, I can understand others feeling differently
 
He has to say that. Mitch Daniels is his guy. :)
This should be a fun competition once he gets in the race. (if he does) I think Cain's going to surprise everyone. ( well, not everyone) Some of us will just say "told ya so" LOL

Almost no one knows who Herman Cain is, he's never run for public office. If you ask people who was the CEO of Godfather's Pizza almost no one could answer the question correctly. Recently, he's said he would not have a Muslim in his administration, so he's someshat a bigot.
 
To look at Herman Cain without the usual partisan blinders one can say he has some good points.

Putting him in the bowl with Palin, Trump , Bachmann, and Gingrich there is no doubt he stands heads above them.

Really don't know about the lack of public office experience. I do like his reply to that question with “Everyone in Washington has held public office before. How’s that working out for you?” But then we can't gage how he is in public office as far as dealing with lobbyists and cronies.

I would say Cain is a gamble and if I had to pick someone from the Republican Party I would pick him with my fingers crossed. Against Obama I would still vote Obama as least I have an idea what he is like in public office.
 
Almost no one knows who Herman Cain is, he's never run for public office. If you ask people who was the CEO of Godfather's Pizza almost no one could answer the question correctly. Recently, he's said he would not have a Muslim in his administration, so he's someshat a bigot.

no one outside of Arkansas knew who Huckabee was, either; it's the performance that launched him upwards and it's possible Cain might see a similar event - he and Huckabee share many of the same advantages except that Huckabee had his record as governor - whether you consider that to have been an advantage or a disadvantage. and he said he wouldn't have a Muslim in his administration unless that Muslim was willing to place US law above Sharia law in his job - which is a bit more of an allegiance and a bit less of a bigotry concern.
 
Really don't know about the lack of public office experience. I do like his reply to that question with “Everyone in Washington has held public office before. How’s that working out for you?” But then we can't gage how he is in public office as far as dealing with lobbyists and cronies.

Washington does not work the way that a business or the news cycle works. Having great ideas is wonderful. Having good ideas plus the knowledge of how to get them through is better. What we found when Obama got to the White House was that - as he had no experience in Washington - Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid were able to pretty much take over much of his administrations agenda. The Stimulus, Obamacare, these are things that will be hung around his neck come 2012 because they are associated with him and they were his push.... but they are the product not of the Obama White House, but of the swirling vortex of competing fiefdoms that make up the agenda groups that surround the legislature (not that the Executive doesn't have it's own) and the individual quirks and vanities of those inside. The Stimulus became a grab bag of pork goodies and Obamacare became a mishmashed overcomplicated nightmare. Because Obama was inexperienced, he had little choice but to be coopted by the Congressional Leadership of his own party into supporting their abuses if he wanted anything done.

I like McConnel and I like Boehner. I'm sure we would have great dinner conversation. But I don't trust them, and I don't want the new President to need them like Obama needed Pelosi and Reid.
 
Mitt Romney... he's the only one on that whole list who has a chance to garner independents and actual conservatives who are not jackasses.
 
cpwill - it is precisely because the GOP does not care about African Americans that tinges them with racist motivations, a racist platform and racist policies. It is that exact lack of caring about including African Americans which indicts them. You claim that somehow, someway that shows they are not racist or they are above race. Baloney. They care a whole lot about race - as long as it is White. In a transparent attempt to inoculate themselves against a charge of racism since African Americans are few and far in between in the GOP, they glom on to a noted token or two like a flea jumps on a mangy dog and hold on to them for dear life.

Your party may care nothing about African Americans - but your party cares a great deal about race.
 
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