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  • Mitt Romney

    41 15.30%
  • Tim Pawlenty

    9 3.36%
  • John Huntsman

    0 0%
  • Mitch Daniels

    15 5.60%
  • Sarah Palin

    4 1.49%
  • Newt Gingrich

    6 2.24%
  • Michele Bachmann

    2 0.75%
  • Donald Trump

    3 1.12%
  • Ron Paul

    172 64.18%
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    16 5.97%
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    Re: Who do you think will win the Republican nomination?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    at this point? he's the credible conservative with executive experience who isn't Romney. I could have given you a thousand reasons for Daniels, but then he dropped.


    I will give him this, however. The man went to Iowa (which he needs to take on Romney, and which threatens to slip from him if Bachmann tosses her hat in) and declared himself in favor of ending agricultural subsidies. I gotta admit, that's gutsy.
    This is a myth.

    It’s as gutsy as picking on the guy with tape on his glasses.

    The vast, vast majority of Iowans aren’t farmers and they gain no benefit from farm subsidies. People that claim what you just claimed show how ignorant they are about the heartland in general.

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    Re: Who do you think will win the Republican nomination?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    This is a myth.

    It’s as gutsy as picking on the guy with tape on his glasses.

    The vast, vast majority of Iowans aren’t farmers and they gain no benefit from farm subsidies. People that claim what you just claimed show how ignorant they are about the heartland in general.
    The vast majority of Michiganders aren't farmers either, but farming is a big part of the Michigan way of life.
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    Re: Who do you think will win the Republican nomination?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    The vast majority of Michiganders aren't farmers either, but farming is a big part of the Michigan way of life.
    farming makes up about 5% of income for Iowans.

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    Re: Who do you think will win the Republican nomination?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    farming makes up about 5% of income for Iowans.
    It still makes up almost 1/4 of their total industry. Iowa is also the biggest producer of corn and ethanol in United States. Although true, most the work force aren't farmers there I'm sure many of the people are effected by the culture so it may hit home for them. I don't know if Pawlenty could lead with something like that but seeing how Romney is a weak forerunner and Pawlenty is the second best viable candidate right now, he could very well win Iowa. I would guarantee it to him if he said something like "ethanol subsidies and oil subsidies need to be phased out".
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    Re: Who do you think will win the Republican nomination?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    It still makes up almost 1/4 of their total industry. Iowa is also the biggest producer of corn and ethanol in United States. Although true, most the work force aren't farmers there I'm sure many of the people are effected by the culture so it may hit home for them. I don't know if Pawlenty could lead with something like that but seeing how Romney is a weak forerunner and Pawlenty is the second best viable candidate right now, he could very well win Iowa. I would guarantee it to him if he said something like "ethanol subsidies and oil subsidies need to be phased out".
    this is an example of stats producing anything you want.

    UAW workers at John Deere aren't going to vote for corn subsidies just because the 5% of farmers in the state might get hurt without them.

    I/T workers aren't going to vote for subsidies just because the programs they develop are used by field applicators to spray chemicals.

    the amount of voters that actually factor corn subsidy into their decisions is extremely small. It takes no courage to say what Pawlenty said, just common sense.

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    Re: Who do you think will win the Republican nomination?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    this is an example of stats producing anything you want.

    UAW workers at John Deere aren't going to vote for corn subsidies just because the 5% of farmers in the state might get hurt without them.

    I/T workers aren't going to vote for subsidies just because the programs they develop are used by field applicators to spray chemicals.

    the amount of voters that actually factor corn subsidy into their decisions is extremely small. It takes no courage to say what Pawlenty said, just common sense.
    Oh I agree with what you are saying, I'm just saying don't sell the industry short and that in the short term it may be an issue until the attention is directed elsewhere. I think it would have been much better to hear him say all fuel subsidies need to be phased out rather than curiously concentrating on just one that has to do with that region.
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    Re: Who do you think will win the Republican nomination?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    The vast majority of Michiganders aren't farmers either, but farming is a big part of the Michigan way of life.
    $72 billion dollar industry here.
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    Re: Who do you think will win the Republican nomination?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    $72 billion dollar industry here.
    Here = Michigan? Just trying to clarify....

    I used to live across from a farm. The guy planted many, many acres of corn and had a small dairy. Super well off. I believe the name was Sackrider.
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    Re: Who do you think will win the Republican nomination?

    Government subsidies have their place, I think government loans and such are fine in crops but livestock we still need a few subsidies to help farmers through. Let me give you an example. My grandfather (a SC Republican that ran for state senate twice came close once!) ran a chicken farm with 4 "chicken houses" each 50 ftx1 acre big, holding 22,000 chickens per house. Back in 93 I believe? Hurricane Andrew came through and tore through 2 whole houses killing thousands of chickens, each at 20 cents a pound each chicken roughly 10 lbs per shipping growth. If not for the government helping supplement loses that were difficult to cover with farmers insurance and the company that supplied the chickens (which does little in covering damages actually) he would have been in a financial hardspot for sometime, as each cycle of chickens last for 8 weeks.
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    Re: Who do you think will win the Republican nomination?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Government subsidies have their place, I think government loans and such are fine in crops but livestock we still need a few subsidies to help farmers through. Let me give you an example. My grandfather (a SC Republican that ran for state senate twice came close once!) ran a chicken farm with 4 "chicken houses" each 50 ftx1 acre big, holding 22,000 chickens per house. Back in 93 I believe? Hurricane Andrew came through and tore through 2 whole houses killing thousands of chickens, each at 20 cents a pound each chicken roughly 10 lbs per shipping growth. If not for the government helping supplement loses that were difficult to cover with farmers insurance and the company that supplied the chickens (which does little in covering damages actually) he would have been in a financial hardspot for sometime, as each cycle of chickens last for 8 weeks.
    Emergency servics and rebuilding should be a responsibility of the government anyway. Paying a farmer to grow more corn for an inefficient fuel source, or paying a farm not to grow to fix supply...that's a different issue.
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