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  • Mitt Romney

    41 15.30%
  • Tim Pawlenty

    9 3.36%
  • John Huntsman

    0 0%
  • Mitch Daniels

    15 5.60%
  • Sarah Palin

    4 1.49%
  • Newt Gingrich

    6 2.24%
  • Michele Bachmann

    2 0.75%
  • Donald Trump

    3 1.12%
  • Ron Paul

    172 64.18%
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    16 5.97%
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    Re: Who do you think will win the Republican nomination?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    it's rather entertaining that you would link those two things - given that the Citizens United case extended the exact same rights and privileges to unions as it did to corporations (both had previously been limited in their speech), and that unions are the biggest spenders in our elections.

    OpenSecrets.org: Money in Politics -- See Who's Giving & Who's Getting keeps track of donations, you may be interested in seeing who the big donors are for the last 10 years.
    Since Citizens United, the biggest spenders have been Billionaires and mega corporations who have specifically used their money power to weaken unions in order to have an even bigger advantage in the 2012 election. If Unions were doing the same thing that these people are I would be calling them out on it as well, but they are being dwarfed. Citizen United isn't necessarily a bad decision, the problem is with the fact that the Supreme Court didn't force congress to write a full disclosure law, even though thats exactly what the Supreme Court wanted.

    Personally, I think all elections, except the primaries, should be publicly funded in one way or another in order to remove the mandatory pandering/political favors that is needed to get money. Its not like keeping some of it in the open is preventing back room deals.

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    Re: Who do you think will win the Republican nomination?

    I don't believe in public financing for two reasons. The first one is that people should have the freedom to spend how ever much they want on what they want. The second is taxpayers shouldn't have to help pay for campaigns of candidates they may not support.
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    Re: Who do you think will win the Republican nomination?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    I don't believe in public financing for two reasons. The first one is that people should have the freedom to spend how ever much they want on what they want. The second is taxpayers shouldn't have to help pay for campaigns of candidates they may not support.
    But you are fine with those with money having more of a voice than those without money? And who said it has to be tax payer funded? It could be a simply law which requires major networks to change air time at cost.

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    Re: Who do you think will win the Republican nomination?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    But you are fine with those with money having more of a voice than those without money? And who said it has to be tax payer funded? It could be a simply law which requires major networks to change air time at cost.
    Its their money, I don't believe they should be restricted from using it.

    Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney were pretty much equal last time but Huck got less than 20 million and Romney got over 100 million.
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    Re: Who do you think will win the Republican nomination?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Since Citizens United, the biggest spenders have been Billionaires and mega corporations...If Unions were doing the same thing that these people are I would be calling them out on it as well, but they are being dwarfed.
    You evidently haven't been paying attention. Glad I am able to help here.

    The American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees is now the biggest outside spender of the 2010 elections, thanks to an 11th-hour effort to boost Democrats that has vaulted the public-sector union ahead of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the AFL-CIO and a flock of new Republican groups in campaign spending.

    The 1.6 million-member AFSCME is spending a total of $87.5 million on the elections after tapping into a $16 million emergency account to help fortify the Democrats' hold on Congress. Last week, AFSCME dug deeper, taking out a $2 million loan to fund its push. The group is spending money on television advertisements, phone calls, campaign mailings and other political efforts, helped by a Supreme Court decision that loosened restrictions on campaign spending.

    "We're the big dog," said Larry Scanlon, the head of AFSCME's political operations. "But we don't like to brag."...
    Last edited by cpwill; 05-15-11 at 08:37 PM.

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    Re: Who do you think will win the Republican nomination?

    Quote Originally Posted by finebead View Post
    I voted for Pawlenty. I like what I've seen him say. Everyone else has some big negatives, either inside the party or outside the party. Problem with Pawlenty, his speaking skills are poor, he's boring. But I think he's bright, balanced and practical. But, I'm not aware of big negatives for Pawlenty, so I went with him.
    He just needs some grooming.

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    Re: Who do you think will win the Republican nomination?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You evidently haven't been paying attention. Glad I am able to help here.

    The American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees is now the biggest outside spender of the 2010 elections, thanks to an 11th-hour effort to boost Democrats that has vaulted the public-sector union ahead of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the AFL-CIO and a flock of new Republican groups in campaign spending.

    The 1.6 million-member AFSCME is spending a total of $87.5 million on the elections after tapping into a $16 million emergency account to help fortify the Democrats' hold on Congress. Last week, AFSCME dug deeper, taking out a $2 million loan to fund its push. The group is spending money on television advertisements, phone calls, campaign mailings and other political efforts, helped by a Supreme Court decision that loosened restrictions on campaign spending.

    "We're the big dog," said Larry Scanlon, the head of AFSCME's political operations. "But we don't like to brag."...






    who have specifically used their money power to weaken unions in order to have an even bigger advantage in the 2012 election. If Unions were doing the same thing that these people are I would be calling them out on it as well, but they are being dwarfed. Citizen United isn't necessarily a bad decision, the problem is with the fact that the Supreme Court didn't force congress to write a full disclosure law, even though thats exactly what the Supreme Court wanted.

    Personally, I think all elections, except the primaries, should be publicly funded in one way or another in order to remove the mandatory pandering/political favors that is needed to get money. Its not like keeping some of it in the open is preventing back room deals.
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    Sorry if I don't trust the WSJ on this one.
    Last edited by xpiher; 05-15-11 at 08:36 PM.

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    Re: Who do you think will win the Republican nomination?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Beat the unions? LOL thats rich. You do realize Republicans are going to outspend everyone again right. Citizens United is the worst decision the Supreme Court has made in at least 50-60years.


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    Re: Who do you think will win the Republican nomination?

    really? it's not like these numbers are hidden - they are publicly accessible.

    HERE. and this is just the donations to the candidates.

    Top Donors of 2010
    1 Service Employees International Union
    2 Perry Homes
    3 National Education Assn
    4 American Federation of Teachers
    5 National Assn of Realtors
    6 TRT Holdings
    7 American Fedn of St/Cnty/Munic Employees



    CBS NEWS: Public-Sector Union AFSCME Now No.1 Spender in 2010 Election Cycle

    the president of the Union was bragging about this, man, it's hardly a secret or some kind of conspiratorial claim. They were also number one in 2000, and 2002.

    Unions are bigger spenders on politics than businesses are. And when businesses spend they aren't always spending on the Republicans. Largest donor of 2004 was Goldman Sachs - 62% of which went to Democrats (they were #2 in 2008, when 75% of their contributions went to Democrats).

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    Re: Who do you think will win the Republican nomination?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    If he doesn't win the nomination (which he will) I'll even start my punishment early. It couldn't be any worse than the fat white butt with glasses avatar liblady gave me for a month. LOL
    Cool beans!
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