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    mad Is socialism inevitable?

    As world population grows and machines already do most of the hard work, so we don't have to enslave each other or work our butt off on the field plowing and reaping, I come to ask more frequently what the future structure of society would be. Overproduction has become a major issue both in terms of consuming natural resources and stalled market.
    Freedom lovers state that "one have the right to ones labor and the products of that labor" in contrast with slavery where they belong to the master. Does that work in over-productive economy or it just applies for the self sufficient 19 century farmer type of man? Are we moving towards some kind of plan economy, some kind of socialism, as labor becomes more and more effective and manual-free?
    Is socialism inevitable within the next 100 years?

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    Re: Is socialism inevitable?

    To an extent, but the socialistic policies in many countries have gone far beyond what they should.
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    Re: Is socialism inevitable?

    To what geographic extent? If we're talking globally, I don't see trend toward socialism in any sense worldwide. Some economies might move to the right, some might move to the left.

    Also - not sure what you mean by "overproduction." Could you elaborate?
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    Re: Is socialism inevitable?

    in systems such as ours, more and more people become addicted to government entitlements and demand others pay for those entitlements so until the system collapses, there will be a move to more socialism



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    Re: Is socialism inevitable?

    Democracy leads to socialism...


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    Re: Is socialism inevitable?

    I don't see the connections you're trying to make in your OP. Because we have more machines, we'll suddenly nationalize everything?

    The overall wealth of the planet is increasing dramatically and technology is playing a major part in that. But just because we become more wealthy doesn't mean that we will want to have the govt run businesses.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Is socialism inevitable?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    To what geographic extent? If we're talking globally, I don't see trend toward socialism in any sense worldwide. Some economies might move to the right, some might move to the left.
    I talking mainly about the Western world.

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Also - not sure what you mean by "overproduction." Could you elaborate?
    Well, nothing fancy here, just overproduction.
    OK, for example imagine you are a bread maker making a decent living. But a big bakery plant opens in your town and suddenly part of your customers are attracted there for low prices or whatever it could be. Now, your sales drop dramatically and its not a decent living anymore. Probably the same will happen with lots of bakeries around.
    My point is that rising efficiency, automation and new technologies leads to overproduction where decreasing number of people produce ever increasing number of goods and many people become just unneeded. Certainly, new industries can be introduces to employ them but I think there will be a point of saturation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I don't see the connections you're trying to make in your OP. Because we have more machines, we'll suddenly nationalize everything?

    The overall wealth of the planet is increasing dramatically and technology is playing a major part in that. But just because we become more wealthy doesn't mean that we will want to have the govt run businesses.
    I never said anything about nationalization. But if more and more financial power is concentrated in the hands of the big folks what would the regular Joe do except playing their game?

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    Re: Is socialism inevitable?

    Not while the Second Amendment and First Amendment are intact.

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    Re: Is socialism inevitable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    I never said anything about nationalization.
    Then you should provide what definition of socialism you're wanting to use. Are you using some newspeak definition?
    Cause in OldSpeak, the word socialism means that the govt has the means of production.
    define: socialism - Google Search

    So, provide your newspeak definition for socialism that has nothing to do with the govt owning the means of production and we can go from there.
    Alternatively, you could substitute an OldSpeak word and or words to describe what you mean instead of mis-using the word socialism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    But if more and more financial power is concentrated in the hands of the big folks what would the regular Joe do except playing their game?
    Perhaps you mean some sort of de facto oligarchy instead of socialism?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Is socialism inevitable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I don't see the connections you're trying to make in your OP. Because we have more machines, we'll suddenly nationalize everything?

    The overall wealth of the planet is increasing dramatically and technology is playing a major part in that. But just because we become more wealthy doesn't mean that we will want to have the govt run businesses.
    What happens if wealth becomes meaningless...that would be interesting

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