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Thread: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

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    Re: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Evidently you missed how We the People ended the Vietnam war.
    Yes, and it only took years and years. The truth is that Vietnam played out. Or do we prefer to think that you were finally heard one day after years and years of protesting? Like I've stated before, when we leave Iraq or Afghanistan or any other place, you protestors fool yourselves into thinking your years and years of defiances and criticisms actually mattered. In the mean time all you do is make matters harder and worse for the troop.

    Here's another. "We the People" didn't want to go fight Germans during WWII. Yet we did. "We the People" didn;t want to go to Iraq. Yet your representation chose to. You fool yourself beyond the ballot vote.


    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The power of we the people works only when it is exercised, as it was to stop the Vietnam war. We get the government we deserve!
    After 10 years of Vietnam you accomplished? After 7 years of Iraq you accomplished? We've been in Afghanistan for almost 10 years. When do you think you will accomplish? Everything plays out. Your votes are largely wasted on empty promises. Usually these promises are made before the politicians has been enlightened as to the world he enters when he "wins."


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    We have one, it is called elections. Don't like the government, vote in a new one!
    Well, you did. How's that GITMO going? Iraq ended as it was going to end (set in motion during the Bush administration) and Afghanistan continues because the local effort isn't quite where it needs to be yet. New government? The problem is that as Americans think they are changing something because the face of the White House changes, the White House has to deal with a world that doesn't change. Learn the world and you will be less dissapointed when your government doesn't simply turn switches on and off according to your vote.
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    Re: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    But Americans have free access to information and are more than capable of understanding events beyond a politician's lies and the media's misleading headlines.
    Yes, it certainly appears they do............................

    59 Percent of Americans Think It’s Time To Leave Afghanistan
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    Re: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, it certainly appears they do............................

    59 Percent of Americans Think It’s Time To Leave Afghanistan
    No...they do not and you miss the point.

    I'm not sure what you are trying to prove here other than "We the People" don't matter. A year and a half or two years from now, do you think that today's 59 percent will matter? Was it 59 percent before Bin Laden was killed? How much of that 59 percent still think that Afghanistan was just about an old man hiding out in fear? Since their access is only to misleading and sensational headlines, how much more do you think President Obama, the CIA, and the military know about these matters and this threatening region? It would be a joke if wasn't so tragic. What did your polls state about Iraq for the last 7 years? Still not getting the tragedy....or the joke? These polls tells me that people are absolutely ignored by their representatives and that even politicians have a greater understanding of big boys things than the average American.

    I've been correct for 8 years now. When are you going to stop doubting? It's all in the cultures. Even the American culture escapes most Americans.
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    Re: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

    Our troops need to leave Afghanistan. Training Afghanistan's military will not stop al-Qaeda, and Karzai is not a reliable ally, if an ally at all. The War on Terror cannot be won through the invasion of foreign countries. Afghanistan does not have nuclear weapons so I don't see why it poses such a risk to the United States, even if the Taliban regained control.
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Yes, and it only took years and years. The truth is that Vietnam played out. Or do we prefer to think that you were finally heard one day after years and years of protesting? Like I've stated before, when we leave Iraq or Afghanistan or any other place, you protestors fool yourselves into thinking your years and years of defiances and criticisms actually mattered. In the mean time all you do is make matters harder and worse for the troop.

    Human struggles are often not speedy. If by played out, you mean the funding was terminated by Congress due to mounting public pressure by a majority of citizens, then I guess you would be right. The troops are safest when they are not unnecessarily kept in harms way.

    Here's another. "We the People" didn't want to go fight Germans during WWII. Yet we did.
    The history I've read said the US was united in their support to join the war after the Pearl Harbor attack:

    "The Pearl Harbor attack immediately galvanized a divided nation into action. Public opinion had been moving towards support for entering the war during 1941, but considerable opposition remained until the attack. Overnight, Americans united against Japan in response to calls to "Remember Pearl Harbor."
    Results of the attack on Pearl Harbor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    "We the People" didn;t want to go to Iraq. Yet your representation chose to. You fool yourself beyond the ballot vote.
    Based on the manufactured threat by the Administration, the majority of Americans supported our invasion of Iraq.




    After 10 years of Vietnam you accomplished?
    The end of the war.

    After 7 years of Iraq you accomplished? We've been in Afghanistan for almost 10 years. When do you think you will accomplish?
    It depends on how quickly opposition to continuing the war grows from the current 59%, and on how much heat citizens bring to their representatives for continuing the war.

    Everything plays out. Your votes are largely wasted on empty promises. Usually these promises are made before the politicians has been enlightened as to the world he enters when he "wins."
    I've not seen another system of government that I prefer. What is your alternative to the American system of government?



    New government? The problem is that as Americans think they are changing something because the face of the White House changes, the White House has to deal with a world that doesn't change. Learn the world and you will be less dissapointed when your government doesn't simply turn switches on and off according to your vote.
    Of course I would prefer if we had a liberal government. However, we keep voting in moderates because the majority of Americans are political moderates. The government reflects where the majority of American people are.
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    Re: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

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    No...they do not and you miss the point.
    Sorry, I do not have your ability to ignore the facts.

    I'm not sure what you are trying to prove here other than "We the People" don't matter. A year and a half or two years from now, do you think that today's 59 percent will matter? Was it 59 percent before Bin Laden was killed? How much of that 59 percent still think that Afghanistan was just about an old man hiding out in fear? Since their access is only to misleading and sensational headlines, how much more do you think President Obama, the CIA, and the military know about these matters and this threatening region? It would be a joke if wasn't so tragic.
    The way public pressure works is the larger and more vocal it gets, the more effective it is at changing public policy. We are the ones in charge. Obama and Congress are just our temporary representatives.


    What did your polls state about Iraq for the last 7 years? Still not getting the tragedy....or the joke? These polls tells me that people are absolutely ignored by their representatives and that even politicians have a greater understanding of big boys things than the average American.
    Polls being ignored are usually followed by sweeping changes at the next election so it has a way of working out.

    Who's system of government do you prefer over the American system?
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    Re: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post

    Sorry, I do not have your ability to ignore the facts.



    The way public pressure works is the larger and more vocal it gets, the more effective it is at changing public policy. We are the ones in charge. Obama and Congress are just our temporary representatives.




    Polls being ignored are usually followed by sweeping changes at the next election so it has a way of working out.

    Who's system of government do you prefer over the American system?
    I think you're failing to understand his point.

    Regardless of what the public thinks... doesn't always make it right.

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    Re: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

    All Congress has to do is defund the war.
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    Re: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

    I would love for us to bail out of these wars. Our kids have been subjected to tour after tour in combat zones...thats horrific and anyone thats been there done that realizes the pressure these men and women are under.
    Having said that, I also realize I dont have all the knowledge and information I would need to decide for certain if we should get out or not. I believe I need to leave that to the military leaders to decide when its right.
    I do believe this, if obama thought for one second it was feasible to pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan he would have done it his first year in office to appease his base...his not having done it tells me theres alot of things WE ALL dont know

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    Re: Should Congress require Obama end the war in Afghanistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It is we the people that have the power to force them to act.
    So when are You, the people going to start forcing?



    meaningless stuff cut and pasted by Carawba deleted

    I do have a way, public pressure. Its how we ended Vietnam.
    So where are the protests you have organized? Are the media just refusing to cover them?

    Do you have more scheduled? I might like to attend.

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